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involve him. >> and one of the things that i think we're going to see is them really try to pick apart the prosecution's witnesses specifically michael cohen, and make the argument that these individuals who are trying to prove or make the case that trump did do things wrong, just aren't reliable, credible people. >> why do you think they make the decision to start with david? here? he obviously was the person who basically said, okay, i'll i'll keep an eye out. try to keep bad stories out of the tabloids for you when you're running for present and i think the argument is that is running his own business and making many decisions by himself, that even if he had conversations with the former president, which they probably are going to try to make the case that he did not. >> that these were choices that he ultimately made, that not that did not involve the president. their whole argument minutes that the president is innocent that he did not do this and having another businessman command showing how he operated his cooperation could help them make that case.