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would you go as far as using the word "appeasement"? we can definitely see signs of appeasement, and that is definitely not what we wanted. this is when we look at how, like, the global democracy has been evolving, we see a huge threat of this authoritarian expansion, especially led by beijing — and the current attitude of the current government makes us worried. just focusing on your former colleagues in the hong kong pro—democracy opposition, would you now acknowledge that that entire movement has effectively been eliminated inside hong kong? there are... there are no big protests. people's rights of protest and assembly are being taken away. for me, it's definitely a big defeat. but when we look at... yeah, it's definitely a big defeat. but when we look at social movement, we look at from a historical perspective, things don't happen in a singular term.