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you've got to work with law enforcement, not against law enforcement, and you need to identify those individuals who should not have access. >> i can't imagine anything changing on their minds tonight. >> not fundamentally. i'm sure they'll offer condolences and sympathies. i think it's a moment to show humanity and have a solemn presence on this. i do think, especially as a pivot toward the general might come for one of these candidates, getting around one of the 80% issues, like supporting red flag laws, is a good place to be. supporting background checks is where they can ultimately come out. >> that's the crazy thing. even after the massacre in our own state at mother emmanuel, nikki haley comes out and says she's against red flag laws, against expanding background checks. one of the worst shootings, a shooting that changed the trajectory of her career, where she did a lot of things right, she wouldn't go for expanded