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quote-unquote, the integrity of the proceedings, which was the language in both gag orders. the initial one, and then the amended one. there are still legal proceedings going on and he can maintain whatever he thinks it takes to have the public maintain confidence and the proceedings. now as a practical matter, number one, there's no jury anymore, which was a big basis for the gag order. and number two, even though there's still same risk of witness harm, there's no more witnesses in practice. and so just because the judge can it's not clear that the judge will lift it. and frankly, i'm quite curious as to how the judge will thread this needle. >> it's interesting, tim, you heard trump's team say president biden is not speaking out, calling trump a convicted felon, which you did at this fundraiser? and that's a key reason to end. they say this gag order. do you think that argument is going to hold up? >> i don't. i think that they would be much better off to focus on the constitutionality of it that gag orders any any order that the restriction of free speech is presumptively unconstitutional, except in very narrow circumstances. >> to protect the integrity of