Investigating efforts by former President Trump and his top allies to try to overturn the 2020 election, that grand jury has finished meeting for the day. The big question, will we learn in the next few minutes or hours if the grand jury here in washington, d. C. Has, in fact, indicted donald trump or anyone else involved in the plot to overturn the election. This is the third criminal indictment against the twice impeached former president of the United States and current frontrunner by far for the republican president ial nomination. There is quite a bit that we just dont know and it is unclear when or if the Federal Grand Jury here in d. C. Has even voted. But based upon what we have reported over the last three years, Potential ChargesnSpecial Counsel jack smiths his allies efforts to pressure state Election Officials and their disinformation about the election creating fake slates of State Electors and potentially inciting the deadly capitol insurrection among other potential charges. Yesterday the former president posted on his Social Media Website that he expected criminal charges to come any day now. Lets get right to cnn senior justice Correspondent Evan Perez who is following all of the latest developments. Evan, how do we expect to get word if and when this indictment is handed up to the judge from the grand jury . Well, jake, we have a team inside of the courthouse. Theyre watching the magistrate proceedings. The grand jury votes on an indictment and the foreperson and the prosecutor hand up the indictment to the judge, often what they do is you dont know the name of the person, but they have the initials of that person who is being indicted is read in open court. Today could be a lot different. We certainly have seen in for example in the maralago case in miami, where they did it behind the scenes, away from reporters who were watching every single court proceeding. So that could happen in this case as well. Wit we do know that the grand jury has left but the foreperson stayed behind. We have not seen that person leave the courthouse. So, that is one indication possibly that there is still more action to be taken by the foreperson on behalf of the grand jury and prosecutors in jack smiths office, jake. So obviously Law Enforcement has been preparing for this likelihood that he will be indicted for sometime. Right. Have you heard anything from Law Enforcement about any indications that they may have seen about possible threats that could come from whatever the grand jury has decided . Donald trump himself was issuing vague pronouncements that if he were sentenced to jail, there could be violence. Right. Exactly. And look, because of that, Law Enforcement has been looking very closely at all of those Online Platforms where some of the threats come from, jake. And so far everything indicates that they havent seen anything abnormal to indicate that there is an active threat to the courthouse. Now, when the former president if and when hes indicted, then he has the option to come to court and that would about he then to present additional possible threats. But at this point, Law Enforcement said that everything seems completely normal. They dont see any indication of people coming to washington at this point, jake. If he were to be indicted, donald trump, would we expect him to appear in person for the Arrest Arraignment and if so when might that happen . How soon after any indictment is handed up . Well we anticipate that that could happen as soon as later this week. It is certainly in the next couple of days. And here is the thing. This court allows for presentment for first aernst poo to be done over zoom. So he could do it remotely from his club in bedminster. However, we know that the former president , of course, is the kind who wants to show up in person, of course, as you know, jake, every one of these things have been used by him to do more fundraising. And so we know that one of the conversations that has happened already, between the Special Counsel and the former president s legal team is how they would do this. Theyve offered him the option of Doing A Zoom Presentment or first appearance, we anticipate, jake, that the former president will want to do this in person. Again, simply because that is how hes done all of the others. Evan, thank you so much. As mr. Trump huddles with his advisers for yet another potential indictment to be filed, this one by Special Counsel jack smith, Kristin Holmes is tracking this from bridgewater, new jersey, just down the road from trumps Bedminster Golf Club where donald trump is right now. Kristin, what are we hearing about how donald trump is planning to respond if an indictment does, in fact, come . Reporter yeah, jake, well his team is expecting an indictment. They feel like they are actually prepared for this. Theyve been waiting tor this since they got the Target Letter and something they have been putting together, their response. Were told that there are Paper Statements and videos and they plan to roll out surrogates all over conservative media to make the case for the former president. And last thursday, they expected, they believe that there was a potential indictment coming down. And then they were surprised by that maralago superseding indictment. That is not the case today. They do feel like they are prepared now, they do expect this to happen. And with dou know that donald trump has been having conversations with his closest allies on capitol hill since he received that Target Letter talking about how theyre going to defend him, to come to his defense when it comes to january 6. And it is interesting, talking to many of this advisers, they really believe that they have a playbook down on how to respond to these indictments. They believe that it starts with these Fundraising Emails and then it turns into videos, and in which trump is directly addressing voters. And they do think that it will lead to a spike in fundraising and poll numbers. But as we have reported, multiple times, even if these advisers believe the shortterm gain is there for a primary, there are still larger concerns about what these legal implications will mean for a general if donald trump is to be the nominee, and as you mentioned he is still leading in the polls, on whether or not he could actually go through a general election with all of these looming over him. So a lot of questions. But again, they do feel in this one particularly prepared. They have statements ready, ready to hit the airwaves to go to Donald Trumps defense. Kristin holmes in bridgewater, new jersey, thank you so much. Lets discuss. Kaitlan, let me start with you. So trump could face charges related to any number of a with the 2020 election. Ng to do there is the Pressure Campaign that he and his allies launched on Election Officials. The fake state elector plots and potential charges for inciting that riot on the capitol on january 6. I dont know how much you could read in the tea leaves in terms of those who he has interviewed and those he hasnt, which charges are the most likely that he will face. Well we know that they indicated some of them in the Target Letter. I think the question that trumps own orbit has, his attorneys and his political advisers, or is it bigger than that. Because they have looked aat a lot of different aspects, from fundraising to the fake electors to trumps mindset. So there is a big potential for a lot to come out of this. Conspiracy to defraud the United States, obstruction of an official proceeding and that reconstruction era civil rights thing that they looked at that was referenced in the Target Letter. That is what theyre looking for. But i think how much bigger could it be . From the Target Letter, it was much bigger than we believe. So lauren, just to go through the Target Letter, it cites three statutes and you say the english version, there is the deprivation of rights, taking away voting, deef fraud the United States and tampering with the witness. What do you think in terms of what is likely . The last one is more expansive than it sounds like on the face. It calls for that but it could mean more than trying to persuade or corruptly influence a witness. It could mean more. But the big part of this all this, remember, that congress, the january 6 Committee Also recommended charges. Recommending ones in buckets including conspiracy, including obstruction. The Target Letter is a courtesy. I dont mean like it is a friendly thing to receive. But it is a courtesy. It is not required that as a prosecutor you give this to someone. And so you need not give them all of the information that theyre looking at. You ultimately, if they are indicted, have to give them anything that is exculpatory, means what tends to show your innocent. But this is a place holder. Youre on notice, due process requires that you be on some kind of notice and an opportunity to be heard he. And i would expect given the amount of time since the january 6 recommendations, that there has been a lot of time that has transpired. There has been investigations. They had dozens and dozens of people who were on the record mostly republicans they point out in their report, who were on the record testifying. Since that time, what else has jack smith and his team uncovered . Theyve got a criminal jury subpoena power. They dont have the same sort of hurdles that a congressional subpoena would say. Thank you if you could send me to jail, you could kick rocks. They have the power at the doj. So you have a lot more that i would expect to see to buttress what weve already seen from january 6. So, jamie gangel, deprivation of rights. That is about an attempt of taking away the Voting Rights of individuals. Lets talk about the trump Pressure Campaign on state Election Officials in that context. To nullify peoples vote who voted legally and cleanly and fairly for his rival joe biden. Perhaps this is best illustrated in his infamous phone call with the secretary of state of georgia which biden won very narrowly, with brad raffensperger, when trump asked him to find enough votes to flip georgia from biden to trump. Take a listen. So, look, all i want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes. Which is one more than we have. Because we won the state. Do you see this as one of the strongest bits of evidence against donald trump, at least that we know of. There is no question that that phone call is very impressive in the worst sense. You see him there, you hear him there, and when you hear Donald Trumps voice saying that, there is no denying it either. So that is true. I also spoke to several former very senior justice sources who said that we should expect this likely indictment, if it comes, to be what one said, the mother of all speaking indictments. They said, expect it to be very long, a lot of detail, they said to also look at what else might be named. Are there coconspirators, unnamed and what if any role does mark meadows play in this . There has been some talk that hes been cooperating. But the main thing that they say about this indictment is that it will be overwhelming evidence plus. It was the quote. Because this is the former president. And kaitlan, one of the arguments laura was just making was that as strong as the january 6 Committee Hearing was, there were individuals that they were not able to get to testify. Such as Vice President mike pence. Such as some of the white house aides like dan scavino and others. Individuals who did testify before the Special Counsel because the Special Counsel had more ability to force them to do so. What might we learn. They viewed it completely differently. If you talk to people in trumps orbit, pence fought it on different grounds and he still had to go and talk to them and that is where he felt the Pressure Campaign and that is what theyre looking for. The Congressional Committee report is very kind of laid a road map for what weve seen jack smith do. Absolutely. And in a remarkable way and in a way that it was reported that the Justice Department really lagged on a lot of investigations into things like the fake elocectors and then january 6 hearings started coming out. But remember they wouldnt give everything to doj. They were not handing everything over. Until they were done. Until they were done. Which is something that youll hear doj prosecutors talk about. But in the sense of what they could be looking for, i think theyre looking for quotes from Vice President mike pence, what is he detailing in there, what are other scenes that are potentially included in the indictment that we did not know about from the january 6 Congressional Committee. And jamie, the investigation theoretically could go back to before the election because donald trump was paving the way, he was setting the table to challenge his pending loss of which we kind of all saw coming, by going after paper ballots and mailin ballots. Which his campaign was saying please dont bad mouth paper ballots. It was in the throes of covid and we need to vote by mail and he set the taj for blaming fraudulent paper ballots, which there is no evidence that there was enough of that to turn the election in any state. But take a listen. I dont want to see a crooked election. This is the most rigged election in history. They know it is going to be fraudulent. It is going to be fraud all over the place. Ive been explained very strongly about the ballots an the ballots are a disaster. We saw this coming a mile away. This is a critical point. Not just the ballots, but the fact that as the january 6 Committee Said over and over, that is premeditated. He was setting it up because his pollsters had told him, you know, youre not going to win. And so what do you do if youre not going to win . You have to say the election is a fraud. And then there is Something Else we havent talked about for a while. But remember he came out Election Night early and he wanted them to stop counting. Stop counting, right. The ballots. So this was all potentially a setup for then what came afterwards. Everyone stick around. Coming up, trumps legal fight is dominating the 2024 president ial campaign trail. Including how much donor money is going toward paying for Donald Trumps legal fees. That is ahead. Now is the time to partner with our expeperts. 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In our politics lead, were in the midst of a historic moment. Were waiting to learn whether a Special Grand Jury here in washington, d. C. Has returned an indictment against donald trump. This