Heres The Big Question of the evening, everyone. Did donald trump just perhaps violate the conditions of his release . The former president threatening retaliation just 24 hours after, yes, his third indictment. What a judge warned him against, intimidating or tampering with witnesses. Take a look. On social media, he was writing, quote, if you go after me, im coming after you. Kind of a way of saying, dont come for me till i send for you, apparently. Well talk about that with our law expert who testified at one of his impeachment hearings. Trump also railed against the charges against him at an event in alabama just a short time ago. Every one of these many fake charges filed against me by the Corrupt Biden Doj could have been filed 2 1 2 years ago. They didnt want to do it 2 1 2 years ago. They wanted to wait, and they did wait. They waited right until the middle of an election. They waited until i became the dominant force in the polls. They want to interfere in my campaign. They want to interfere in the leaks. They commonly use tactics in third world countries this all comes as his lawyer and allies continue to flow possible defenses in the election interference case. Hes now asking the Supreme Court to intervene. Tonight, cnn anchor and chief domestic correspondent jim acosta Who By The Way will be here at 11 00 tonight. Im excited to see you this evening as well. Jim, we look to you. You have so much experience, having followed this man. I dont know if you like too much. He is floating this idea, as you have seen, look, theyre coming after me. But they really want to get to you. And im standing in between. Yeah. Weve heard this a lot. Why does this have legs . Yeah, hes been saying this for months. I am your retribution. Theyre coming after me, im just standing in the way of them coming after you. That kind of thing. You know, honestly, i think hes doing this because what other choice does he have . But to cast all of these legal troubles as a plot against the rest of the country . Hes been a fan of spinning these kinds of lies and conspiracy theories ever since he started running for president way back in 2015. He was talking in very threatening terms about jack smith, the Special Counsel, calling him deranged, that sort of thing. What hes going to do throughout this campaign with these cases all pending and these indictments pending is hes going to dance right up to the line. Hes going to go over it from time to time. Or a lot of the time. Going after the judge, the lawyers, the prosecutors, democrats on capitol hill, his political opponents inside the Republican Party. Hes going to continue to play this hand. Because its the hand that hes always played. Ive covered him for years now. And going back all the way to the 2016 campaign, he has a talent for creating this climate, this environment where it feels like Political Violence could break out any moment. He wants the country frightened, in a state of almost political terror, all of the time, 24 hours a day, seven day a week. Because that is the kind of environment he tends to do well in. And so i dont suspect that hes going to change this way of behaving at all. Hes going to try to exploit this. I was talking to a Trump Adviser earlier today who said they believe wholeheartedly that they can delay these day cases until after the election so they dont have to worry about winning the Republican Party contest. They think theyve got the nomination wrapped up. In the general election battle between donald trump and joe biden, as we saw in 2016, all it takes is for donald trump to get a little bit of luck and for his democratic opponent to have a little bit of bad luck, like that comey letter 11 days before the 2016 election, and he has a chance of getting back in there. Think about it. What is the famous line in Game Of Thrones . Chaos is a ladder. Hes not the first politician to say, if theres enough potstirring, enough going on here, perhaps the periphery, anyone whos in it will be lost in all of this. Exactly. The polling does hold him quite strong. Hes even had some say the audacity to say, look, i just need one more indictment and then ive got a straight flush. A fourth indictment. He believes its going to be an additional feather in his cap. I remember so well when you were at so many of his rallies. We could tell. In front of the cameras people who were vicious. Behind the cameras they couldnt wait to get a picture with you. There was this duality that was going on, that you see mirrored in the Republican Party of his allies today. Publicly they say one thing, privately something else. Is there a moment that youre seeing reportingwise, politically, where maybe the two will meet . The gloves come off . I really think what you see is what you get. Donald trump is crazy like a fox. And he is going to continue to push the envelope, do everything but violate the very specific orders of this federal judge that were handed out in his arraignment yesterday. He may even violate them to some extent. He is going to dare and tempt any judge overseeing any of these cases to come after him and lock him up during these proceedings. They are starting to see this Inside Of Trump World as a winning hand. A fourth indictment might be four aces as far as theyre concerned at this point. And to some extent, and this is not meant as a criticism of the Justice Department or of the attorney general, merrick garland, but by waiting as long as they did, they did sort of welcome this possibility that donald trump could say, hey, wait a minute, youre doing this because were right in the middle of a campaign. Obviously the folks who will defend the Justice Department and the attorney general will say, no, it just took this long to get to this point. Well, it took too long in that it came right in the middle of this campaign process. And of course, we may not see indictments brought to a trial until well into the republican primaries of the next year. And who knows what happens after that . The other big question is what does the Republican Party do with all of this . I dont think anybodys contemplated, what does the gop do if donald Trump Christmas how tried and convicted and sentenced to jail right before the Republican Convention next year . Or right after the Republican Convention next year . The constitution doesnt say he cant. Thats right. What are they going to do about that . I dont think theyve fully thought this through. While theres a lot of Doomsday Scenarios and gloom and doom about trump could get back in the white house, theres a lot of gloom and doom on the republican side of the aisle, too. I dont think theyve fully thought through how this could really blow up in their faces next year. Stay tuned for the tumbleweed thats getting ready to go down the wild, wild west yet again. Were in Uncharted Territory yet again. Here we are. Except this is now the third and were all accustomed to the Indictment Cycle at this point. Jim acosta, stick around. Well see him at 11 00 as well. I want to unpack more of what were talking about here. Michael gerhart, a law professor at the university of north carolina. Its nice to see you, my friend. I can almost hear you thinking right now when it comes to any conversation about the notion of witness intimidation, voting rights, accident ra elevation, all these aspects swirling around the president , former president of the United States. Tonight, trump is saying that they could have charged him right after leaving office. But putting aside that the documents didnt become an issue until after he left office, but those are minor details. Thats actually not how investigations work. Tell me about the timeline that he is the doj is often criticized for . Do you see that timeline as problem mat nick. I dont see that timeline as problematic. And i see it that way for the following reason. That weve got two things going on right now. One is all about politics. One is obviously the campaigning. What trump is doing is providing all this political rhetoric, and hes appealing to his base. But the other thing that should be going on is how the legal system works. And politics on the one hand moves much faster than the Legal Process works on the other. The thing about courts and a prosecutor is they take time to build their case. They follow the evidence. Jack smith has done that. It takes awhile. But meanwhile, trump can occupy that space by making it sound as if, oh, theyre just dragging their heels. No, theyre doing their job. This is what a professional prosecutor does. It takes time to build a case. Then to present it. The political world is going to be moving much faster. So it can sort of try and deflect peoples attention from whats going on in the legal world. I mean, its called due process. Not due quickness. Right . Democracy is not really known for its expedience, oftentimes. But i remind people, its not that jack smith was the Special Counsel on, say, january 7th, right . Thats right. He has just recently, relatively speaking, come into this position. Theyve had a lot of prosecutions of people who entered into the capitol. They have not been dragging their heels with respect to that. Case in point this judge, like other judges, has a lot of experience now with conversations surrounding the sentencing of January 6th Insurrectionists and beyond. Also, this is Breaking News were just getting in. We now have word that the Special Counsel has now cited trumps truth social post tonight. I was getting ready, michael, to ask you about this very truth social post that says, if you go after me, im coming after you. And i was going to ask you, is this problematic in the eyes of the prosecution . Well, tonight, they are now asking for a protective order. Thats what we know at least right now. Tell me, when you saw this post, what was your first reaction . My first reaction is, trump just stepped over a line again. In other words, trump just makes it a business of trying not just to push boundaries but ignore them. Even though hes been counseled by numerous people as well as the judge not to threaten, not to use his rhetoric to sort of go after people, including the prosecutor what does trump do . He immediately does that. Thats a political move that trump just made. That makes him popular with the base. On the legal side, he just broke another law. Almost reminds me, there will be arguments made. You see little kids with their siblings. Im not touching you. Theyre close to your face, but im not touching you. Maybe thats my own kids in my household. Someone looking at that same post would say, its not specific, he didnt name a particular witness, he didnt threaten a particular named person, the judges name is not in there, any of the witnesses who might be in there, even the unnamed coconspirators who have not yet been indicted visibly. Is there argument to be made that its so vague that a protective order would essentially lead to the next Talking Point that says, oh, i cant say anything . I dont think this statement that hes just gotten in trouble for is vague. It served its political purpose. It tried to it made him look powerful, he got to sort of look like the boss. But legally hes just got himself in trouble again. And i think one thing to sort of keep in mind is that trump is having trouble trying to maintain balance in both the political world and the legal world. The more heated it gets in the the political world, the worse trouble hes going to get in the legal world. Right now, trump has a history of intimidating witnesses. He has a history of inviting violence. The thing to do is, as you know, if youre trying to figure out if somebodys posing a danger, you infer from the circumstances and from the language what may be that persons purpose or whats the effect of what theyre doing . And thats what we can do with donald trump. We can infer from that language, oh, hes trying to heat up the crowd. Hopefully producing another riot. At the same time, we can infer from that language, hes not acting in good faith. Thats not a statement of somebody thats going to comply with the law, its somebody whos going to operate according to the old west and come after them. I hear also in my prosecutorial brain, its churning right now. Im saying, you know what, every word has to be precise in the way that you present it to the court. I have used the word witness, gut another word that could be used, codefendant. The other words that could be used here, given the allegations, at least in the superseding indictment involving the maralago documents. Again, this is not necessarily a casespecific truth social post. It could be broad in a number of realms. He has at least three indicts. It could be viewed by a Special Counsel as a warning to those who might be incentivized or willing to testify. Whether they are yet unnamed or somebody who shares a portion of a caption. Theres a lot to unpack here. I bet this judge is already on notice. I suspect knowing that this judge has done a lot, was already having those sort of judge spidey senses. Michael ger hat, thank you so much. Everyone, another story. The teams that are investigating the gilgo beach serial killer have identified another victim. Ill speak live with the daughter Of Another Famous American serial killer. 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Authorities have not yet linked alleged killer Rex Heuermann to her death. He has been charged with firstdegree murder in the aths of three women, and he is the Prime Suspect in this disappearance and death of another but has not yet been charged with that homicide. I want to bring in dr. Jen carson who is a Trauma Expert and the daughter of one of the San Francisco witch killers. Her father was convicted of three murders in San Francisco in the early 1980s. He and his wife claimed they believed they were supposed to kill witches. Dr. Jen carson, thank you so much for being here today. I wonder just off the bat, when you hear about cases like this and what the families are coming home to when the allegations arise for someone like Rex Heuermann and beyond, do you recall what it felt like for you . What are your emotions . Yeah, so you know, first and foremost, my heart goes out to the five known gilgo victims. They had parents. They had children. Siblings. But my heart also hurts for the family of Rex Heuermann. After i learned that my father was a suspect in 12 homicides, confessed to three, also a plot to kill president reagan, i was a small child but i found out as a small child. And i it shattered my self concept. I feet like i was satans spawn or the bad seed or that i somehow was bad. And i survived several decades of suicidal thoughts and several days of lifethreatening suicidal behaviors. But the good news is i now work in suicide prevention, and i model recovery to others and encourage everyone to get help, which anyone listening c can, 24 7, by calling 988. It must have informed your decision and your calling to which you now obviously are a Trauma Expert in this space. I wonder, one of the allegations that is always going to come up people who are following this story and are going to be asking their questions, as either Armchair Directors and detectives, or those who are in the court of Public Opinion like we often are in theyre going to ask questions about what the wife or children could have possibly known. When you hear that question being raised, did you have any idea whether they would have known anything, what would you sa