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CNNW Anderson July 4, 2024

Breaking news, fbi agents shoot and kill a selfdescribed mega trump or who they say made a threats against President Biden. Vice president harris Attorney General garland, and other singled out by the former president. Also, the georgia d a, fani willis, cnn has learned when she has her say next week, shes expected to seek more than a dozen indictments in her Election Interference Probe of donald trump, the former president. Also tonight, a live report from our. You see it there. Walls of flame sweeping the island. At least six people have already been killed. Good evening, everyone john king here tonight, sitting in for anderson. Breaking news tops are. Elliott killing of a utah men of by fbi ages tried to arrest him that and the contents of the governments charging documents, which are frankly beyond chilling. Page after page of Craig Robertson social media postings, describing, at times in lurid, graphic detail, who he would allegedly kill, and how. Cnns Shimon Prokupecz joins us now with a much more. Senior Law Enforcement analyst, former fbi did pd director, intermediate. Shimon, walk us through exactly what happened today. Certainly, a lot of concern given that the president was coming to utah, and that set off a whole chain of events. First, the suspect here, Craig Robertson, on monday, the fbi saw that he posted a message on facebook, saying that the president was coming to utah. Basically, it was time for him to take action. He wrote, i hear bidens coming to utah, Digging Out My Old Gillies suit. This is Camouflage Outfit that you see there. Cleaning the dust of the am 24 sniper rifle. He says welcome, buffoon inchief. They were ready. Seeing this post, the fbi decided it was time to move in and take him off the street. This is a man they had been monitoring since march. Because of other threats that he had posted, most significant, what really started all of this, the threat he posted against the Manhattan District Attorney here in new york city. The alvin bragg. Hes been investigating the former president , donald trump. So, he posts this facebook message about wanting to, essentially, come to new york city, and kill the d. A. The fbi gets alerted to this posting, that is what starts this investigation back in march. They start doing surveillance on him. They even go over to talk to him, in march, they approach him. They see him. Hes wearing a trump hat. They talk to him. Hey, were on to you. Whats going on. He then lists threats against the fbi. Those agents who came to his home. So, this goes on for several months. Finally, today, this morning, the fbi moving in. Out of concern, with the president visiting utah, and what this man was saying he was planning, they decided to move in. There was a confrontation. He pointed a gun on them. And then they say they shot and killed him. Remarkable. Andrew mccabe, listening there, shimon, walking through the threats this men made. Graphic and specific. Help us with context. When youre the Vice President , the Attorney General, the president , the manhattan d. A. , how does it fit in the context of other Public Officials you threaten over the years . Sure, john, people say angry things about political leaders every day. On social media. And those statements are typically completely protected by the first amendment. What makes this individual different, he is articulating graphic, specific, violent threats. Thats what initiate the fbi investigation. In the course of that investigation, he rebuffs all efforts to speak to him, and then he starts to threaten the fbi agents who came out to his house. He continues to make, essentially, Death Threats against alvin bragg, kamala harris, joe biden, gavin newsom. And shows actual proof of his ability to do so. Hes posting photographs of nine assault weapons, someplace in his residents, presumably. He says he has ugly suit and a sniper rifle, and then posted a photograph of himself with a guilty suit and a sniper rifle. This was a very logical investigation of somebody who is escalating along that cycle of potential violence, the fbi finally had to step in, knowing that they conflict with the president of the United States might be in the offing. And you have the unfortunate result of that encounter today. Help us understand how Law Enforcement deals with this. Nobody is directly tying the former president to this. In the charging documents, the fbi does include one threat posted online, in which the man he refers himself to as a, quote, mega trumper. You cant ignore the overlap of the people he was threatening with people the former president has gone after in speeches in his own online posts. Number one, how do you Connect The Dots between free speech and potential threats, what does long forsman do about that . Its really hard, john. Theyre in such a tough spot now. The fbi, dhs, other Law Enforcement entities, they are monitoring all kinds of extremist rhetoric, threatening rhetoric, online, every single day. Their jobs to figure out who is an actual threat, and who are the rest of the people who are just boasting or chest pounding, whatever the doing online. That is not an exact science. Its something they literally have to monitor every day. Well also say, this is a perfect example of a case that shows how responsible, careful, political leaders, of both parties, or very careful not to engage in this sort of violent rhetoric and targeting speech that we hear from donald trump very frequently. The reason is, the most extreme supporters of those political leaders, and certainly those who follow donald trump, we have seen, will actually follow through on some of these comments. We know that from the january 6th people who showed up on the capitol on january 6th. Many of them said, we came because donald trump told us. This person is a perfect example of what happens when someone like donald trump encourages this sort of rhetoric, targets people online, some of his most extreme supporters get that targeting message, and theyre prepared to act upon it. That is deadly dangerous. Shimon prokupecz, enter mccabe, appreciate your time tonight. Thank you so much. Separately, cnn has learned the Fulton County d. A. , fani willis, recently received additional security protection. Other sources also telling us, they expect her to seek more than a dozen criminal indictments next week. That, of course, in her probe of Election Interference of the former president. Cnns paula reid has more on those two stories as well, as a new documents surfacing in the jacks mitt federal investigation. Paula, lets start with the Fulton County district attorney. What are you learning about what she is expected to present to the grand jury . Fani willis long running investigation into efforts to overturn the Election Results in georgia appears to be coming to a head next week. We expect that, over the course of likely two days next week, she will present her case to a regular grand jury that can vote on indictments. Weve learned that shes contemplating charges that include conspiracy, racketeering, and rico. Again, these are state level charges. This case might look a little bit different than what weve seen at the federal level. John, the biggest question a lot of people have, of course, will the former president be charged . We dont know for sure. Even his own attorneys have said, they expect he will be indicted in georgia next week. Polarized, we also have this new internal Trump Campaign memo, from december of 2020, obtained by the New York Times. What details do we get here about this plot to overturn the election . This is the missing piece in terms of understanding the roadmap that trump and his allies laid out to try to overturn the election of the election. This specific memo was offered by pro trump attorney, kenny cheese borrow, also coconspirator number five in the trump indictment, by the Special Counsel last week. And in this memo, chesebro lays out a strategy to try to subvert the electoral process, by installing the slates of Fake Electors, and then designing a plan where the Vice President could count those votes. This has been mentioned in the indictment, but never publicly reported. Paula reid, grateful for that reporting. Thanks so much. Joining us now to discuss in more detail, our cnn legal analyst, Karen Friedman the former Manhattan District Attorney. Lets start with fani willis, youre hearing polaroids reporting. 12 indictments. Does that mean 12 people, in your view, from your experience in the Prosecutors Office . That makes sense that you would indict around 12 people, given what we know about the sweeping nature of her case and her investigation. At a certain point, its hard to put 12 defendants and all of their lawyers at a table in a courtroom. They might get broken up, she might of even broken them up logistically light that. It makes sense there would be an indictment with a round a dozen people charging them with this entire scheme to have a fake elector slate in georgia. You hear the reporting that she has added security. Youve seen the images of the added barriers and such around the Fulton County courthouse, we started the program with this Breaking News story out of utah, very disturbing story. The fbi trying to arrest, ultimately shooting, a gentleman posted online threats against the president. The Attorney General, the Vice President , this former prosecutors perspective, the moment youre trying to do your job, and all of this. It doesnt help that donald trump puts these threats out over and over and over again. It starts, january 6th, everybody who stormed the capitol felt they were following his lead. He didnt stop them, 487 minutes. In fact, at 2 24 in the afternoon, he tweeted another tweet that sort of exacerbated. Look at alvin bragg, he posted a picture of himself holding a baseball hat baseball bat, next to alvin braggs head. And then he claims, oh, it was not a threat. I was just advertising for American Made baseball bats. Nobody believes that. Weve seen the tweet that he did the day after he was released from custody in the most recent indictment, the chan six indictment, all come after you if you come after me, whatever that phrase was. These are the Dog Whistle Calls to his followers. They know what hes asking for, they know their threats. Theyre all laughing and everybodys face, we cant stop him. The people like this extreme person who got into the confrontation with the fbi today, theyre hearing the message from donald trump. Its scary, its terrifying, it has to stop. Hopefully, judge chutkan will put a stop to it at this hearing this week. Whats your campaign on this Campaign Memo obtained by the New York Times . Kenneth chesebro, an attorney, putting together this Fake Electors plot. He voices skepticism himself that this is legally viable. As a political reporter, it tells me they were sustaining selves, anything they could do to keep the challenge is going. It injects with building an Election Interference case for anyone else building an Election Interference case, whats the legal significance of an attorney saying this might not passed a monster . Yeah, the memo is amazing, theres this juxtaposition in there, on the one hand, he says this is a bold move that might not pass the muster of the supreme court. He also says, an important strategy is we have to make this business as usual, make this routine. He is signaling to them, he knows that this isnt going to fly. Its the roadmap for this, literally, a crime. Its important for jack smith, it gives a roadmap for the prosecutors, in terms of what theyre thinking was, how theyre going to go about it. It takes away the he said she said in any trial when you have to you have a witness who says, soandso told me such and such. You dont need. Here, you have a piece of paper that wasnt exactly are thinking, exactly what he wanted to do, and what hes telling people to do. A pretty critical piece of evidence. So many new developments, on a daily basis, hard to keep track of them. Weve learned the Special Counsel took the extraordinary step of bringing a subpoena to twitter, for Donald Trumps twitter. What does that tell you . Its very common today, for prosecutors, to do that. So many people are on social media, thats just something you do. Clearly, his truths or tweets or whatever their call, his social media postings, are central to the case. Some people would say, why do you need to subpoena that information from twitter, if you have those messages already . You have to remember, a prosecutor has to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. One thing they have to prove, donald trump, in fact, is the person who posted those posts. You cant just assume or ask the jury to assume that its him. We have to still prove it when prosecutors. Youll also get other information, aside from that, when you get information back from social media company, youll get drafted messages or the dms and that kind of stuff. The digital trail. Least called the paper trail. This is the digital trail. Exactly. The bread crumbs. Karen, appreciate your insights. Up next, a live report from maui the, combination of wildfires, high wind, and limited waves around, the dangers already proven deadly. The devastation is enormous. 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