Us tonight. Cnn primetime abby Philip Joe Starts right. Now thank you, caitlin, good evening, every everyone. Im abby philip, welcome to cnn prime time. The clock is now ticking, donald trump in 18 codefendants have just ten days to turn themselves in, after being indicted in Georgia On SeriousCriminal Charges. The former president is accused of being the head of a criminal enterprise, to overturn joe bidens victory in that state. Tonight, a local sheriff says hes expected to be out of Fulton County jail. What is going on right now in trumps world, with just ten days to go until surrender . We also have news on mark meadows making a lastditch attempt to get the case against him in georgia dismissed. Well begin to all of that tonight. Plus, the 45th president of the United States faces a stunning 91 Criminal Charges across four separate cases. And it will be tied up in multiple courtrooms, throughout this president ial cycle. All while hes running for the second term. So, what should the gop do, if their front runner has been now indicted four times over . We will talk to New Hampshire governor, chris sununu, one of the former president s most vocal critics in the Republican Party. And it was one of the most defining images of the civil rights movement, a 15 year old elizabeth ecole, or one of the little rock nine, making her way through an angry mob as they integrated in the whites only high school. Now, 66 years later, there is a new Battle Over Black History in the state of arkansas. Well talk to Little Rock School board member tonight about all of that. Lets begin now with trump, and the world scrambling with just ten days to surrender to the georgia authorities. Here with me now, cnn special correspondent, jamie gangel, former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe. Former federal prosecutor, elliott williams. Former trump attorney, Tim Parlatore. Tim, i want to start with you. You have the special insight into this, of course. Were learning tonight about what could happen in the next ten days or so, a surrender to Fulton County officials, the sheriff says hes gonna have to go to a county jail, basically. What do you expect to happen if you are his attorney . Is it something you get over, with or you wait until the last second here. I think theyre probably gonna want to wait till the last second, just because what weve seen consistently throughout these cases, the game of inches of trying to delay it out a little bit more. So, if they had ten days, and you surrender on the first day, if youre trying to drag the case out past the election, why not take the extra ten days. If it wasnt a case where you had an election, i would take my client in today. But thats a different calculus. Of course, between today and the very last possible day, which is next friday, there is a president ial debate. Another topic just today, on the legal front, we have mark meadows. He is indicted in georgia. Now, his attorneys have now filed a motion to have this case remanded to a Federal Court. And what do you make of that legal move . Do you think it will be successful . I do. I was expecting this from the beginning. I think donald trump and mark meadows will both File Removals to have it taken a Federal Court. If you look at the attempt to move the alvin bragg case to Federal Court, you read the decision by judge in there, he lays out the standard, and when you read it. You realize, alvin braggs case needs a standard to stay in court. But fani williss case actually does belong in Federal Court, it really does deal with these two federal officials, related to things that they were doing well in office. Well physically in the oval office, as hes doing the stuff. I expect that will be successful. Now, that doesnt remove fani willis from the case. Still the same prosecutor, still the same defended, same defense attorney, same indictment. Just different, building different judge, different jury pool. What do you make of that, andrew . I think do former President Trump, mark meadows, and also jeffrey clark, have been crazy not to make that motion. They probably have a good chance of succeeding. But not a guarantee shot at succeeding. In particular, the former president. He has to, under Supreme Court precedent, he has to be able to show not only that he was an officer of the court, but that is a colorable federal defense. Theres no question as to whether or not the defense, if he predicates that on a claim of federal immunity, i think its questionable as to whether not federal immunity would cover his actions, as described in this indictment. He clearly was not acting on the under federal in 30, far beyond the scope of his duties as president. In meddling with the election in georgia. So, its not a guaranteed win for him. Theyll absolutely make a motion, if they could succeed. Perhaps maybe the most surprising thing, that meadows was the first person to do, it and not trumps attorneys. Tim, just broadly speaking, the charges hes facing here in georgia, putting aside the issue of which venue it is tried and, if youre his attorney, which are not anymore for a number of reasons, what would you say to mount this defense of this former president . This case, more than so that are some of the others, i think when i read through the indictment, i saw a lot of potential legal attacks. Before you get to the merits. The use of the rico statute in this instance is unique. I think that theyre gonna have some problems, especially if they get it over to Federal Court, because rico has an element of continuity to it. Where you have an organization, an enterprise, that is engaging in a series of racketeering acts, as part of a continuing course of conduct, like a mafia family, or organized for crime gang, things like that. Here, its all focused on a singular event, which is the election. So, when you do bring it over to Federal Court and they start to apply some of the federal rico standards to, it thats were gonna become problematic. Also reading through the pattern of racketeering activity, there are ways you can attack that, really on a motion to dismiss on the structural side, before even get to the merits. I would want to see how much you can cut away there. You also have the issue of fani willis, shes a County District attorney. A lot of this stuff didnt happen in her county. Coffee county, a separate day for that. As she pointed out, i should say, she pointed out, their stuff in the indictment that happened in other states, its not to say that theyre charged specifically with all those things. But that they were part of the conspiracy. I see, elliott, fighting frantically. Whats your take on that defense that you heard from him . Well, i think, you do have a continuing course of conduct. I think the court could find that the course of conduct started back in june of 2020, culminated in the election, and continued on through the january 6th, or even today. There is at least an argument, that there was a continuing course of conduct. Im with you, it is an aggressive way to charge an individual. I think we have, in our heads, that rico racketeering, whether the trump organization, prosecutions are for Mafia Families and so on. And the way the Georgia Statute is written, its broader than the federal statute, as we also talked about here. Perhaps all these things can be brought in. All of these questions, including that removal from Federal Court, which im not totally in agreement with either view on, it may actually end up staying in Georgia State court. Its just a complicated legal question that no one touched yet. Its going to be litigated. Can i just say for the record, when you listened to that phone call, asking for those 11,780 votes, it sounds an awful lot like the mafia. And that is for a jury, a kind of close Crystal Clear piece of evidence. Ive represented gangsters, there are a lot more vague than that on the phone. Even if its not mafioso top, or whatever, that is not a president of the United States. It is a candidate for office. It is an interval whos running for office. This question of moving into Federal Court, rick requires him acting in his capacity as president. Where the president ends and the man begins, the canada begins, in the president s, is blurry. The court is gonna have to sort that out i dont think its entirely cut and dry, given amount of evidence. Jamie, i want to leave a moment here for you rudy giuliani, whos all over this indictment as well. He is being charged, in a rico statute, which he basically pioneered. Then, on top of, that we hear today, that hes basically broke. His legal fees are piling up. What has happened to the man once known as americas mayor . He said today, he hasnt changed. Hes still the same man. I interviewed rudy, as we called him, when he was mayor many times. If rudy has not changed, in all of these years, we didnt know him very well back then. I have several Close Friends who worked with him. He is a different person today. This is yuck he was a character, when he was mayor. He was a tough guy he liked to litigate. He was always dsean interesting person. I think this is tragic, actually. One of the most on forgettable moments of the saga, is that Press Conference. The rnc with rudy giuliani. Sweat dripping down his face. Such a moment. Interestingly enough, its in the indictment in georgia, part of the evidence against him in this case. Thank you all for being here tonight. Coming up next for us, what should the gop do about a front runner who is now facing 91 Criminal Charges across four separate cases . 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This indictment coming out of georgias Fulton County . Well, all disagree on one thing. I dont think it was stunning. I think we all knew it was coming. Even the former president said, you, know fourth indictment only help him. So, from a political standpoint, i dont think many folks in the republican side are shocked by this. I dont think it moves his numbers anymore. He has a lot of that built in sympathy vote there. But to his point, it helps him. This is all the media is talking about, as long as you guys, not, you cnn, but understandably so, from atm to 11 pm every, night seeing his name 100 times, and not really giving any air time to any of these other candidates. Thats exactly what the former president wants. He doesnt have to want to talk about issues. He doesnt want to have to talk about Going Forward in healing america, and all these things that the rest of america wants to see. He wants to relitigate the past, and were kind of letting him do that. Which is unfortunate. I dont think any of that changes as it hits the debate. I hear what youre saying, i think the question was more about the conduct alleged in the indictment. If you look at the sheer number of people charged in the georgia case, youre talking about 18 trump allies, including trump himself. Theyre accused of racketeering, at least one, and at least one related crime. Theres a lot of conduct alleged here, including trying to tamper with voting machines, and actual voting information. What is your take on the actual information contained in this document . So, a couple things. Im not a lawyer, i will say, this is incredibly similar to the federal indictment. The jacks mitt is doing out of doj. Other than, as you brought up, now 18 people involved. Thats a much bigger swath of individuals. Something that i think republicans need to take note of, this is a grand jury in a very conservative state. That said this guy needs to be indicted. This isnt just the department of justice and the idea that its all politicized. This is a grand jury in georgia of all states. Which, again, kind of doubles down on the idea, this guy cant win in november. You might give him the nomination, i hope we dont, but this guy cannot win a state like jersey, or arizona, where these two states they absolutely have to have. Last time i checked, you cant govern if you dont win. Its just gonna be another sob story for donald trump. And hes gonna crush the republican ticket going down. I still, very hopeful, the republicans as a whole, make a smart choice and find that one or two candidates to go against him by the time iowa in New Hampshire hit. If trump is the nominee, what should Republican Voters do, in your opinion . For indictment, in probably at least one of those trials. What should they do . What will you do if hes the nominee . Look, that reality wouldnt come to bear, if it did, and i dont think it will, it wouldnt come to bear for about a year from now. So, the whole political dynamic is going to change, is joe biden even on the ticket by then . One of the democrats done by then . Whats the alternative by then . Is there a third party . Theres gonna be all of these other what ifs, what if, what ifs. And then each voter is gonna have to decide. Thats the beauty of our system. We might completely disagree with voters, even sometimes in the wrong party. But its their choice to make. Its americas choice. One of the candidates in the race, ron desantis, is saying that this indictment is helping trump. He may be right, if you look at some of the polling, they found trump and desantis were about four points away. More recently, a New York Times poll found that had trump had a massive lead over desantis. Only grown, do you think thats true . The indictments are the reason hes winning . Is it the failure of candidates like desantis and others. Of course. Or, is it the failure of other candidates to launch a Strong Campaign against him . Well, look, i think theres too many candidates in the race. I think most people would agree. Its a diluted message. I think a lot of them have a hard time, they spend time defining themselves on policy, that theyre missing the boat there. They need to show leadership. Inspiration. Something people can galvanize and get excited about. They have our interests, that they have to get us excited as republicans in the party. There is no doubt, these four indictments have definitely built a lot of sympathy for the former president. He knows how to use the media to his advantage, incredibly, incredibly well. Ill give him all the credit in the world on that. He knows how to take something bed, make it good, Build Sympathy and empathy onto himself. He plays the victim role, and the guy is literally a victim at this point. Which is just crazy if you know his background and understand who he really is. But hes been up to play that very well. Its not so much in New Hampshire and iowa, the polls, locally here, a very different on what you see nationally, but nationally, the average republican is just seeing what they see on the news, and are not seeing any of the other candidates. No ones giving the other candidates airtime. No one is giving the other candidates to your point. I would disagree with you on that. Theyre creating their own news. The other candidates are getting plenty of airtime, the question is, what are they doing with that airtime . Next monday well they dont get any airtime. Many of them every station tonight. Every station tonight, and the next night, and the next, i will say trumps name 100 times. We are gonna have one candidate on here. Hes getting an idea percent of the attention. Let me ask you this, look, next week, trump says hes gonna hold a Press Conference about the georgia indi