Tonight on 360, first a canceled Press Conference, now, apparently a debate noshow, behind the former president s sudden attack. That, and news on when he will surrendering georgia. Also tonight, a cnn trump advisor who took the fifth, when he was asked what he was doing january 6th. Tonight we know what he was doing and with whom. Later, when Hurricane Hillary could have in store for southern california, bracing for its first storm of this magnitude since 1939. Good evening, thanks f joining us. The form president is expected to himself in at the atlanta county judge. Fray is t 19 defendants. Trump, his former chief of staff, lawyers, a Top Justice Department official, and others all been booked, finger printed and, with the exception of the president , and former president , photograph. In the last two days, the former president has backed out of opportunities to be seen by millions of television viewers. Yesterday cancel that Press Conference and announced monday to repeat lies about the election in georgia, what he calls a repeatable evidence of fraud. Today we learned he is planning, as of now, to skip next weeks Republican Debate on fox, in favor of a sit down with tucker carlson. We talked with two lawyers about what criminal Defense Lawyers play into his decision. We start with chief correspondent, Katelyn Collins on the politics for and foremost driving it. She joins us, along with conservative columnist, george conway, and senior contributor, the white House Counsel in the nixon administered. So, what is we know the reasons he has backed out . Of the debate . The debate, Press Conference, everything. Either one. The debate he had kind of been keeping people on edge this week, asking people should he go. A lot of people though who he asks that you said they dont think he was ever really considering it. He hasnt done any formal debate prep or anything like that to prepare for this. So they didnt expect them to show up. It would have been a big difference if he decided to go. Obviously, monday, with the news conference, that is a little decision really. Wednesday i think is a political decision not to show up to that debate. Because he does feel like he doesnt really need to go and show up. Certainly everyone who has tried to goad him into being there is saying that it is week if he doesnt drop, disrespectful to republican voters. If he doesnt show up, none of that has really registered with him in a way that he cares about, but it is surprising, given that they went to Great Lengths to try to get him to come to this. The republican chairwoman personally appealed to him to come. Fox executives went to bedminster, trying to get him to come, believing he might actually show up. He clearly is not. In terms of what we know about this rendering next week . They are still negotiating the deal of what that is going to look like with Secret Service on the District Attorneys Office and the judge will have to sign off on the conditions they agreed to. The local sheriff, they said it will be local standard operating procedure, but obviously this is the most high profile prosecution of the country right now, and the idea that it is going to be anything standard is obviously not likely to happen when he does show up. We are expecting thursday or friday right now. We will see if that changes. That is the expectation at the moment. The question is, does he go in and get the exact process that any other defendant would get . We dont know about a mug shot yet. We do believe you will be fingerprinted. We dont believe you will be handcuffed. But they do medical screenings, they have all of these other steps he has to go through. And when we were reporting this out, i was thinking about how my reporting, when he was in washington being indicted there, he was irritated, essentially, at just the process of going through the standard procedure, having to wait, having to be fingerprinted, sitting in the courtroom for 20 minutes waiting on the judge to show up, and it is just completely silent in the room. Those standard things that other defendants go through, he is not a typical defendant. George w, do you think this is the right move for the former president , both politically and legally . Certainly not doing the Press Conference, legally, makes all of the sense of the world. Not showing up to the debate. Yeah, i have to say, these are words that are difficult for me to say, but i agree with donald trump. I think he is doing the right thing by donald trump. Absolutely. I dont see the upside to him to appear in this debate. All it does is give his opponents a chance to take free shots at him, which i would love to see, but hes doing, you know, with his commanding lead there really is no reason for him to show up and take a Downside Risk of running into Chris Christie. So, i think hes doing the right thing by donald trump. I think it is better for the voters to see him and to hear him respond to the attacks, but, you know, just looking at it from his interest he is doing the right thing. John, i mean, every time he holds a rally or makes a social media post or frankly even future debates, how much legal jeopardy does he put himself in . Well, given his ability to put his foot in his mouth, anderson, i think he has done it rather regularly. He has conceded an awful lot in public. He consistently does it. Im sure that the prosecutors are monitoring it. They probably have staffers who do nothing but follow what he is doing and saying. So, i think it is high exposure, and it appears that, somehow, a lawyer got through to him, or he is now dawned on him that he might be in serious trouble. So hes backing down a little bit. It is interesting, katelyn, that a guy who was once the president of United States is not willing, at least for this debate, to stand on a stage and take the punches, and, you know, show himself to the American People in a debate format, and its not like hes staying home, he is going on, you know, tucker carlson, who has been supportive of him all this time. I think that has even less it is more the idea that he is angry with fox news, he thinks that they are covering his challengers in a more favorable way than they are him. I mean, he has always kind of had this expectation that, to cover him accurate to cover him, you know accurately, is to cover him unfairly. To actually cover what is going on or give other people airtime is a dig at him. That is how he views it. He thinks that they are in the pocket of ron desantis, that iss view. I think it has multiple avenues that he wants to go down, by sitting down with a hose that they fired, having this moment. And i think he also just understand that there is a potential at that debate for someone, like a Chris Christie, that he knows will only be attacking him. They are going to go after him on these issues. So, in his mind he just avoids all of that by not showing up. Yeah, it is remarkable that he is he is signing reagan and other people that are talking about not doing it, but hes doing it because of his own political will and why he doesnt want to show up and what that looks like. George, we havent heard from you for since the georgia indictment and the rico charge of the head of it. How strong of a case you think it is . I think it is a very, very strong case. I think the evidence is overwhelming against him. I think it is a more complex case than the case that jack smith decided to bring in dc. And it is an interesting contrast to put the cases up against each other. One is rather simple, straightforward. The other one is like an air raid, and it just, it is going to be more complex. It is going to take longer. But i think there is a utility to it. Because you can see almost the scope of the damage and the harm that trump caused. Think many of the Co Conspirators , the indicted are unindicted will ultimately flip on the prosecution . Seems unlikely that they will actually go to trial. It does seem unlikely, anderson. And they go into the jailhouse to surrender and get rained and get a whiff of what that places like, or have any knowledge of what a Hellhole The Georgia Prisons are, i think you are going to have several that will want to come forward and say, lets see if we cant work out an arrangement, and so, i think maybe eight or nine will fall by the wayside. And plead. Have you heard of any concern among people around the former president that, you know, left alone on the debate stage, some of these candidates may have breakout moments . Maybe they will. We always kind of see that, you know, people have their moments. We have seen him, certainly Governor Desantis is worried about him at others. Because he will be the next person on that stage, and donald trump is on there that they are attacking. But the debate is happening on wednesday night. Trump goes on thursday in georgia and surrenders himself. That moment has a 24 hour lifecycle. Because then it will be trump showing up in the jail, which is notoriously bad as don was just mentioning there, theyve opened investigations into it. But the conditions of it are pretty horrific. And you look at it, just the idea that the former president will be walking in there to be arrested his arraignment, which wont actually be his appearance, is remarkable in and of itself. So even if there is that breakout moment, it is such a bizarre point in the history of this country that 24 hours later the president will be turning himself in. It is not clear they will have legs, but we will see what happens if the defensive donald trump is a thursday or friday or we are not sure exactly . Thursday at the earliest, thursday or friday. Who knows, it is donald trump, everything comes with a caveat, maybe he decides to turn himself in the day of the debate. That seems unlikely at this moment, but governor christie today attacking desantis, sing if you are going to attack donald trump on that stage you should get out of the race. Those comments will be interesting. And obviously trump has been very bothered by Chris Christies criticisms and others witticisms. The former white house chief of staff, mark meadows Rudy Giuliani, obviously trump, as well, expected to do the same thing. You think they have a good shot . No, i dont, because basically it is no business, it is actually no business of the executive, what happens when states count their votes. The constitution provides that federal elections are in the hands of congress, and in the hands of the states. And the chief of staff and president has no authority to supervise the counting of votes in fulton county, or anywhere else, and the fact that mark meadows went down there on his behalf wasnt an exercise of president ial authority, and he wasnt really exercising he was acting, essentially as a campaign staffer, and that should not be that should not entitle him to remove the case. John, the april 2026 trial date at the former president and his attorneys have given to the special to the judge in the january 6th case, i mean, almost 3 years from now, when do you realistically think that would go to trial . She is not going to give them what they want. I think it is more likely to be somewhere in between 10 months and 14 months, which is ample time and certainly well within the due process. So i think it would be much sooner than later. Thanks so much. We have the source at the top of the next hour. George connelly joins us. Thank you so much. We know now, exclusive video what the lawyer, who devised the president s elector was doing with alex jones, on the day it all came to a violent head at the capitol. Also the latest from hawaii tonight, the military has identified experts. That cold water cant clean. Food fight [children yelling] [food splattering] cold water, on those stains . Welp, only one way to find out. Tide cleans better in cold than the leading Bargain Detergent in warm. Cold water cant clean tough stains . Id say that myth is busted. Turn to cold, with tide. Tide and downy are giving back with 1. 5 million in scholarships. Enter to win. Oh, booking. Com somewhere, anywhere. 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Reporter in the days after the November 2020 election he wrote a memo to the lawyer for donald trump. Among the earliest Known Documents Outlining The Legal Strategy Trump would allegedly try to use. s memo focuses on january 6th as the hard deadline, with ultimate significance to determine the validity of electoral votes. Emails, obtained by the january 6th Committee Show he later suggested to the Trump Campaign that the fear of quote, wild chaos on that day, could provoke the Supreme Court to take action. Go to the white house. Reporter at the same time, alex jones was helping pay for and plan the january 6th rally, urging his massive audience together in washington, d. C. The night before trumps rally, he would born of a coming battle. This will be their waterloo, this will be their destruction. We fight. We fight like hell. And if you dont fight like hell you wont have a country anymore. When he asked where he was the first week of january he pleaded the fifth. But there is no question he was there. Cnn has analyzed publicly available photos and videos from that day, which show his movements in the hours before the insurrection. He was with alex jones and his entourage, a short distance from the capitol. Just perrault is here, wearing a red trump 2020 hat as lawmakers prepare to certify these results of the election inside the building, he follows alex jones and a crowd of protesters as they walked toward the capitol. He has his phone out seemingly. Lets not fight the police and give them what they want. As jones was leading a crowd to the east side of the capitol, the west side was breached and he seems to show something on his phone to a member of his security team, and then jones and Brynn Gingras five climb the steps. There is no indication chesebro enter the Capitol Building or engaged in violence, but shortly after chesebro and jones left the east side, the capitol was breached again, the mob poured into the doors. In all, more than 2000 riders would enter the building attempting to prevent a Joint Session Of Congress from counting the Electoral College votes. The House Committee investigating january 6th would eventually call it the final step in Donald Trumps plan to try and overturn the election. A plan that started in earnest, with kenneth chesebro. It is incredible reporting. I mean, has he responded . Theres been nothing, no responses. The attorney did issue a statement, saying that they are going to sort of deal with this in court and not issue any public statement. Now, Brynn Gingras five is supposed to be one of the guys turning himself in next week, but throughout this entire thing, there has been no clear standard or explanation why a Trump Campaign attorney was hired by the Trump Campaign would be there, so close to alex jones in the middle of this mob. Theres really no, right now there is no explanation for that. Appreciate that, thank you so much. With the former president not expected in next weeks president ial debate, we will look at how that changes, the strategy by the other candidates, particularly Chris Christie today took a shot at ron desantis, saying he should leave the race to defend the former president. Our ears connect us to the moments that matter. Give them the nu