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This is the video that
Britney Spears
posted to social media. Shes there dancing and as you can see, shes got two large chefs knives. That prompted police in
Southern California
to knock on her door in a wellness check. Police say someone close to the singer was so concerned about her safety and wellbeing they alerted authorities, but officers never got the chance to speak with spears. Her reps turned them away saying that shes fine. We certainly hope that she is. Cnn tonight with pamela brown starts right now. Hey, i can see why theyre concerned. Thanks so much for that. Good evening, everyone. Im pamela brown. Votes going on at the moment on capitol hill. Youre looking live at the house floor where members are voting on
Appropriation Bills
, the last one expected to fail and its just another example of the dysfunction pushing this country that much closer to a
Government Shutdown
saturday at midnight. Amid this parade of dysfunction, its real americans who will be paying the price while the elected representatives who are supposed to be working for you, they arent doing that. If there is a shutdown, 4 million federal employees and more than 1 million active duty troops wont get paid until its over and there could be massive disruption to air travel as
Tens Of Thousands
of air
Traffic Controllers
would be forced to work without pay. Talk about a waste of time, what were
House Republicans
doing today when they could have been trying to resolve all of this . They held the first hearing in the
Impeachment Inquiry
of
President Joe Biden
and one of the witnesses called directly undercut the gop narrative by admitting there is no evidence yet that
President Biden
has committed impeachable offenses. Lets go right to cnns melanie zinona on capitol
Hill Reporter
House Republicans
are voting on a package of four different long term
Spending Bill
s. They passed two. We expect the fourth one to fail potentially by a pretty large margin which would be an embarrassing defeat for
Kevin Mccarthy
and his leadership team. All these bills will be dead on arrival in the senate anyway, but it was an important part of
Kevin Mccarthy
s strategy to keep the government open hoping it would rally conservative hardliners around a stopgap bill, including boosting the border and cutting spending. However, there are no
Signs Hardliners
opposed to that measure are backing down. In fact, they are digging in and threatening
Kevin Mccarthy
in the process. Well see how
Kevin Mccarthy
decides to proceed tomorrow, whether he decides to go through likely what would be another failed vote on the house floor or does he try to cut a deal with the senate where they are working on a bipartisan plan . That carries risks as well because the speaker does not want to be ousted by his hard line members, as they threatened to do if he works with democrats. So a lot on the line for
Kevin Mccarthy
and
Government Funding
is hanging in the balance, pam. She was asking him about working with democrats earlier and he would not commit to. That well have to see how it plays out. Melanie zanona, thank you so much. Joining us now, congressman ryan zinke of montana, secretary of the interior under then president trump. Congressman, thanks for your time. The bills tonight voted on are dead on arrival in the senate. Why is
Speaker Mccarthy
going through these motions . Whats the point . Im not sure they would be dead on arrival because what were talking about is our border and our defense. I cant think of two more important issues right now to make sure we have defense to defend our country. Ukraine is set aside and secondly, the border. A lot of people may not see ukraine every day, but everyone sees the border and this bill addresses the problem, puts the wall in place and gives the
Border Patrol
and i. C. E. The authority to do their job. What about the senates plan that is advancing, is that dead on arrival . That includes funding for ukraine. Its interesting because the senate has yet to pass any appropriations and were passing them grudgingly so one by one, but at the end of the day the senate is a different body than the house. Our position is were going to curb spending overall. Well get rid of the woke and on defense we set aside ukraine because quite honestly, i think we need a discussion with ukraine. What are the objectives . Whats the plan . Im a former seal and have been in a lot of operations and havent been on a mission where i didnt have an objective and a plan, 130 billion all in. I think its time for the president of the
United States
to tell us what the plan is on ukraine. You want ukraine handled separately. The
Freedom Caucus
wants
Speaker Mccarthy
to urgently reveal the details of his short term
Spending Bill
expected tomorrow on the floor. What do you know about the bill . Will you vote for it based on what you know now . Theres nothing more important i think than defense of our country and securing our border and, of course, protecting our veterans. Those bills moving forward, im for a small funding stopgap, but it also has to have policy and actually has to have things done with our border. Well see. Well do our part, get the
Appropriation Bills
out as we said we would. Hopefully the senate gets theirs out. Two different bodies will come together and hopefully in the interest of the country come up with a solution so we dont have to shut the government down. But if the cr fails, as is expected, do you think mccarthy should work with democrats to strike a deal to avert a
Government Shutdown
. This is an american issue. What were seeing is there are a handful of republicans, but every democrat is voting against this, too. Ive heard the rumor well, its a republican how is there anyone else to blame other than the conference republicans . Certainly we have the majority. Hopefully we pass the
Appropriation Bills
and the senate picks them up, but youre right. This is a defining moment for me. I look at what the consequences of a shutdown. I secretary and the secretary has a lot of latitude to deal whats essential. I didnt shut down the parks, nor did i shut down permitting inspection. In a shutdown our troops wont get paid. Thats the
Petty Officer
and corporal arent getting a check and its a break of a contract. We have a contract with our enlisted if they serve and give an oath to the constitution, well train you. Well put you in a position to fight and win, but well give you a paycheck. Right. On that note in a minute well speak to the wife of an active duty
Service Member
. The reality is there are a lot of people in the u. S. Military who are living paycheck to paycheck. What is your message to them as they are watching this play out and are concerned about how theyre going to feed their families if the government shuts down, which it certainly looks like its a strong possibility of that . Well, all this should be concerned and heres the irony. If the government shuts down, the troops in ukraine and pensioners in ukraine are being paid by the u. S. Taxpayer dollars and our troops arent. So something is really, really wrong in washington, d. C. Lets
Hope Americans
get together and pass two important bills on defending our country and securing our border. The gop hard liners have always been able to vote to oust the speaker if the government shuts down. If thats brought up to the floor, how would you vote . Have you thought about that . I have and no. What we said we would do is this. We said wed go to regular appropriations. Wed work to get all these bills. Wed let every member have their voice, put them on the floor, curb spending and get rid of the woke and theres a lot of woke. When i say woke in the military, the military is paying for
Sex Change Operations
and
Hormone Therapy
to young recruits and no one would have believed it except its true. So status quo as it is, which i think the worst outcome is status quo. So we need to change the way were thinking about our budget and also we need to defend our country and secure our borders and this is a challenge for the
Republican Party
to rally together, but also america to understand whats at risk. Congressman ryan zinke, thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. We we appreciate it. Thank you and god bless. It seems less and less likely anybody will put the brakes on the
Runaway Train Hurdling
toward a
Government Shutdown
leaving americans to pay the price. If
Congress Fails
to take action to keep the lights on, nearly 4 million federal employees will go without paychecks until the shutdown is over even though
Social Media Workers
will have to remain on the job. Air
Traffic Controllers
and tsa workers will also be working without pay and many may have to call out for work while they try to find other ways to make enough to put food on the table and perhaps most disturbing, 1. 3 million active duty troops across the country and around the world will be forced to work without pay. Now im going to bring in kate marshalllord, a
Military Spouse
and
Communications Director
of the secure our families initiative. Kate, you say
Military Families
are tired of paying the price of congressional dysfunction. Talk to us about that. Yes, absolutely. Congress has failed to pass a budget and were now facing the shutdown and the families that will pay the price are
Military Families
. When a
Service Member
pledges service to this country, they expect sacrifices. They dont expect to sacrifice a paycheck. Theres really no excuse for politicians putting their personal agendas over the well being and livelihoods of
Military Families
. You say nearly one quarter of
Military Families
face
Food Insecurity
in recent years. Many are living paycheck to paycheck. What happens to those families if even one paycheck is missed . Thats true. Nearly a quarter. You have to say it multiple times because it is pretty shocking active duty families are struggling so much to put food on the table and worrying to put food on the table when theyre getting regular paychecks. Missing a single paycheck could be devastating. What kind of guidance are these families getting from within the military . Do you think the messaging is adequate giving them guidance on the next steps . Unfortunately i dont. I think theres a lot of confusion in the military community were hearing almost daily, hourly of folks not aware the shutdown is so likely to happen and second, what it means for
Military Families
, that at this point they will not get a paycheck. I think part of that is its just sort of so shocking we dont expect it to be this way. We expect congress to do their job, to pay
Service Member
s. To this point there has not been adequate messaging for military leaders. People are sort of
Finding Information
from elsewhere outside the military community. Also wic and s. N. A. P. Benefits, those who receive those benefits would be affected by the shutdown. Tell us about the impact of that because theres many in the military who use those benefits. Thats true. Military families, nearly a quarter, face
Food Insecurity
. Families rely on federal
Services Like
wec and s. N. A. P. To make ends meet, to get food on the table for families. We know one in three
Military Families
have less than 3,000 in savings. So missing a single paycheck could really be devastating to families. The white house has warned that the shutdown could undermine
National Security
forcing
Service Member
s around the world to work without pay. What could that do to a
Service Member
serving on the front lines in harms way . I heard from one commander who is serving overseas i have enough to worry about. The last thing i need to worry about is whether my troops can afford to miss a paycheck. So theyre already worried about this and not to mention all the civilians they work side by side with that will be furloughed. Theyll be missing key tonight
Surprise Move
from donald trump in the
Georgia Election
sub version case, the former president said he will no longer push to move his case from state to
Federal Court
. Lets dive into all this with cnn legal analyst norm wisen and also with us attorney and d. C. Democratic party chair scott boldin. Great to have you with us tonight. Norm, trump and his lawyers decided they will not move forward to try to move the criminal charges into
Federal Court
. Does that surprise you . It does because they told the court, the state court, that they were going to remove. The thing that changed, pam, is that mark meadows has been a trailblazer on removal and he lost and it makes sense that he lost because you only get to go from state to
Federal Court
if you were doing official action and attempting to overturn an election as scott well knows cannot be an official act. In fact, under federal law the hatch act, those kinds of
Political Activities
are by definition unofficial. Trump didnt want another big loss like hes faced in d. C. Federal court, in new york state court. So he pulled the plug. It wont work under any circumstances under any court undermining democracy and trying to change elections and stuff. We should point out a big difference between federal and local court is
Federal Court
you dont have cameras in the courtroom. Local court, thats going to be a different case. You have a broader jury pool, too, pull from different jurisdictions and the state court, be fulton county, which is a big democratic stronghold, not that politics will invade the criminal
Justice System
, but youre pulling jurors from that
Voting Electorate
and thats really important. Youll have the cameras. One of the interesting things is this trial will play out during 2024. Whether youre a maga supporter or republican or democrat, youll see the criminal
Justice System
at work, constitutional issues, but more importantly youll hear the facts in real terms with witnesses as to what happened and how they tried to undermine this election. Its going to educate a lot of voters i think whether they want to be educated or not. The criminal
Justice System
will work and it wont be a political process. Youre going to see facts that show how dangerous these acts were. We could see trump testifying live on television, right . Thats a possibility. It is. I dont think he could testify. Scott has been telling clients for a lot of years do not testify. Its very unusual. Hes been known not to listen to his lawyers. That is part of the reason actually, the testimony question. I think its part of the reason he opted not to remove because if he removed when mark meadows testified, he injured his case very badly with some of the things he said trump would have had to testify. His lawyers, pretty smart, said well, were not going to do that yet. It gets even worse with donald trump because whether its the atlanta trial or the federal trial or new york trial, trumps public statements, the attacks on the judges, attacks on the prosecutors, his interviews with the media, he talks about these cases and makes these
Party Admissions
. I think in
Federal Court
you can get those
Party Admissions
admitted. I dont think theres any way he gets on the stand because it will take three days just to crossexamine him on his prior inconsistent statements. Hes got to do that because hes running for president. I want to talk about a situation where he could testify. That is that 250 million
Civil Fraud Trial In New York
set to begin monday. The new
York Attorney
general released a list of witnesses, including trump himself and his children, ivanka, eric and don jr. How do you all see this playing out . Well, the situation is different in a civil case because unlike in a criminal case where donald trump has the right to take the
Britney Spears<\/a> posted to social media. Shes there dancing and as you can see, shes got two large chefs knives. That prompted police in
Southern California<\/a> to knock on her door in a wellness check. Police say someone close to the singer was so concerned about her safety and wellbeing they alerted authorities, but officers never got the chance to speak with spears. Her reps turned them away saying that shes fine. We certainly hope that she is. Cnn tonight with pamela brown starts right now. Hey, i can see why theyre concerned. Thanks so much for that. Good evening, everyone. Im pamela brown. Votes going on at the moment on capitol hill. Youre looking live at the house floor where members are voting on
Appropriation Bills<\/a>, the last one expected to fail and its just another example of the dysfunction pushing this country that much closer to a
Government Shutdown<\/a> saturday at midnight. Amid this parade of dysfunction, its real americans who will be paying the price while the elected representatives who are supposed to be working for you, they arent doing that. If there is a shutdown, 4 million federal employees and more than 1 million active duty troops wont get paid until its over and there could be massive disruption to air travel as
Tens Of Thousands<\/a> of air
Traffic Controllers<\/a> would be forced to work without pay. Talk about a waste of time, what were
House Republicans<\/a> doing today when they could have been trying to resolve all of this . They held the first hearing in the
Impeachment Inquiry<\/a> of
President Joe Biden<\/a> and one of the witnesses called directly undercut the gop narrative by admitting there is no evidence yet that
President Biden<\/a> has committed impeachable offenses. Lets go right to cnns melanie zinona on capitol
Hill Reporter<\/a>
House Republicans<\/a> are voting on a package of four different long term
Spending Bill<\/a>s. They passed two. We expect the fourth one to fail potentially by a pretty large margin which would be an embarrassing defeat for
Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> and his leadership team. All these bills will be dead on arrival in the senate anyway, but it was an important part of
Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>s strategy to keep the government open hoping it would rally conservative hardliners around a stopgap bill, including boosting the border and cutting spending. However, there are no
Signs Hardliners<\/a> opposed to that measure are backing down. In fact, they are digging in and threatening
Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> in the process. Well see how
Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> decides to proceed tomorrow, whether he decides to go through likely what would be another failed vote on the house floor or does he try to cut a deal with the senate where they are working on a bipartisan plan . That carries risks as well because the speaker does not want to be ousted by his hard line members, as they threatened to do if he works with democrats. So a lot on the line for
Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> and
Government Funding<\/a> is hanging in the balance, pam. She was asking him about working with democrats earlier and he would not commit to. That well have to see how it plays out. Melanie zanona, thank you so much. Joining us now, congressman ryan zinke of montana, secretary of the interior under then president trump. Congressman, thanks for your time. The bills tonight voted on are dead on arrival in the senate. Why is
Speaker Mccarthy<\/a> going through these motions . Whats the point . Im not sure they would be dead on arrival because what were talking about is our border and our defense. I cant think of two more important issues right now to make sure we have defense to defend our country. Ukraine is set aside and secondly, the border. A lot of people may not see ukraine every day, but everyone sees the border and this bill addresses the problem, puts the wall in place and gives the
Border Patrol<\/a> and i. C. E. The authority to do their job. What about the senates plan that is advancing, is that dead on arrival . That includes funding for ukraine. Its interesting because the senate has yet to pass any appropriations and were passing them grudgingly so one by one, but at the end of the day the senate is a different body than the house. Our position is were going to curb spending overall. Well get rid of the woke and on defense we set aside ukraine because quite honestly, i think we need a discussion with ukraine. What are the objectives . Whats the plan . Im a former seal and have been in a lot of operations and havent been on a mission where i didnt have an objective and a plan, 130 billion all in. I think its time for the president of the
United States<\/a> to tell us what the plan is on ukraine. You want ukraine handled separately. The
Freedom Caucus<\/a> wants
Speaker Mccarthy<\/a> to urgently reveal the details of his short term
Spending Bill<\/a> expected tomorrow on the floor. What do you know about the bill . Will you vote for it based on what you know now . Theres nothing more important i think than defense of our country and securing our border and, of course, protecting our veterans. Those bills moving forward, im for a small funding stopgap, but it also has to have policy and actually has to have things done with our border. Well see. Well do our part, get the
Appropriation Bills<\/a> out as we said we would. Hopefully the senate gets theirs out. Two different bodies will come together and hopefully in the interest of the country come up with a solution so we dont have to shut the government down. But if the cr fails, as is expected, do you think mccarthy should work with democrats to strike a deal to avert a
Government Shutdown<\/a> . This is an american issue. What were seeing is there are a handful of republicans, but every democrat is voting against this, too. Ive heard the rumor well, its a republican how is there anyone else to blame other than the conference republicans . Certainly we have the majority. Hopefully we pass the
Appropriation Bills<\/a> and the senate picks them up, but youre right. This is a defining moment for me. I look at what the consequences of a shutdown. I secretary and the secretary has a lot of latitude to deal whats essential. I didnt shut down the parks, nor did i shut down permitting inspection. In a shutdown our troops wont get paid. Thats the
Petty Officer<\/a> and corporal arent getting a check and its a break of a contract. We have a contract with our enlisted if they serve and give an oath to the constitution, well train you. Well put you in a position to fight and win, but well give you a paycheck. Right. On that note in a minute well speak to the wife of an active duty
Service Member<\/a>. The reality is there are a lot of people in the u. S. Military who are living paycheck to paycheck. What is your message to them as they are watching this play out and are concerned about how theyre going to feed their families if the government shuts down, which it certainly looks like its a strong possibility of that . Well, all this should be concerned and heres the irony. If the government shuts down, the troops in ukraine and pensioners in ukraine are being paid by the u. S. Taxpayer dollars and our troops arent. So something is really, really wrong in washington, d. C. Lets
Hope Americans<\/a> get together and pass two important bills on defending our country and securing our border. The gop hard liners have always been able to vote to oust the speaker if the government shuts down. If thats brought up to the floor, how would you vote . Have you thought about that . I have and no. What we said we would do is this. We said wed go to regular appropriations. Wed work to get all these bills. Wed let every member have their voice, put them on the floor, curb spending and get rid of the woke and theres a lot of woke. When i say woke in the military, the military is paying for
Sex Change Operations<\/a> and
Hormone Therapy<\/a> to young recruits and no one would have believed it except its true. So status quo as it is, which i think the worst outcome is status quo. So we need to change the way were thinking about our budget and also we need to defend our country and secure our borders and this is a challenge for the
Republican Party<\/a> to rally together, but also america to understand whats at risk. Congressman ryan zinke, thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. We we appreciate it. Thank you and god bless. It seems less and less likely anybody will put the brakes on the
Runaway Train Hurdling<\/a> toward a
Government Shutdown<\/a> leaving americans to pay the price. If
Congress Fails<\/a> to take action to keep the lights on, nearly 4 million federal employees will go without paychecks until the shutdown is over even though
Social Media Workers<\/a> will have to remain on the job. Air
Traffic Controllers<\/a> and tsa workers will also be working without pay and many may have to call out for work while they try to find other ways to make enough to put food on the table and perhaps most disturbing, 1. 3 million active duty troops across the country and around the world will be forced to work without pay. Now im going to bring in kate marshalllord, a
Military Spouse<\/a> and
Communications Director<\/a> of the secure our families initiative. Kate, you say
Military Families<\/a> are tired of paying the price of congressional dysfunction. Talk to us about that. Yes, absolutely. Congress has failed to pass a budget and were now facing the shutdown and the families that will pay the price are
Military Families<\/a>. When a
Service Member<\/a> pledges service to this country, they expect sacrifices. They dont expect to sacrifice a paycheck. Theres really no excuse for politicians putting their personal agendas over the well being and livelihoods of
Military Families<\/a>. You say nearly one quarter of
Military Families<\/a> face
Food Insecurity<\/a> in recent years. Many are living paycheck to paycheck. What happens to those families if even one paycheck is missed . Thats true. Nearly a quarter. You have to say it multiple times because it is pretty shocking active duty families are struggling so much to put food on the table and worrying to put food on the table when theyre getting regular paychecks. Missing a single paycheck could be devastating. What kind of guidance are these families getting from within the military . Do you think the messaging is adequate giving them guidance on the next steps . Unfortunately i dont. I think theres a lot of confusion in the military community were hearing almost daily, hourly of folks not aware the shutdown is so likely to happen and second, what it means for
Military Families<\/a>, that at this point they will not get a paycheck. I think part of that is its just sort of so shocking we dont expect it to be this way. We expect congress to do their job, to pay
Service Member<\/a>s. To this point there has not been adequate messaging for military leaders. People are sort of
Finding Information<\/a> from elsewhere outside the military community. Also wic and s. N. A. P. Benefits, those who receive those benefits would be affected by the shutdown. Tell us about the impact of that because theres many in the military who use those benefits. Thats true. Military families, nearly a quarter, face
Food Insecurity<\/a>. Families rely on federal
Services Like<\/a> wec and s. N. A. P. To make ends meet, to get food on the table for families. We know one in three
Military Families<\/a> have less than 3,000 in savings. So missing a single paycheck could really be devastating to families. The white house has warned that the shutdown could undermine
National Security<\/a> forcing
Service Member<\/a>s around the world to work without pay. What could that do to a
Service Member<\/a> serving on the front lines in harms way . I heard from one commander who is serving overseas i have enough to worry about. The last thing i need to worry about is whether my troops can afford to miss a paycheck. So theyre already worried about this and not to mention all the civilians they work side by side with that will be furloughed. Theyll be missing key tonight
Surprise Move<\/a> from donald trump in the
Georgia Election<\/a> sub version case, the former president said he will no longer push to move his case from state to
Federal Court<\/a>. Lets dive into all this with cnn legal analyst norm wisen and also with us attorney and d. C. Democratic party chair scott boldin. Great to have you with us tonight. Norm, trump and his lawyers decided they will not move forward to try to move the criminal charges into
Federal Court<\/a>. Does that surprise you . It does because they told the court, the state court, that they were going to remove. The thing that changed, pam, is that mark meadows has been a trailblazer on removal and he lost and it makes sense that he lost because you only get to go from state to
Federal Court<\/a> if you were doing official action and attempting to overturn an election as scott well knows cannot be an official act. In fact, under federal law the hatch act, those kinds of
Political Activities<\/a> are by definition unofficial. Trump didnt want another big loss like hes faced in d. C. Federal court, in new york state court. So he pulled the plug. It wont work under any circumstances under any court undermining democracy and trying to change elections and stuff. We should point out a big difference between federal and local court is
Federal Court<\/a> you dont have cameras in the courtroom. Local court, thats going to be a different case. You have a broader jury pool, too, pull from different jurisdictions and the state court, be fulton county, which is a big democratic stronghold, not that politics will invade the criminal
Justice System<\/a>, but youre pulling jurors from that
Voting Electorate<\/a> and thats really important. Youll have the cameras. One of the interesting things is this trial will play out during 2024. Whether youre a maga supporter or republican or democrat, youll see the criminal
Justice System<\/a> at work, constitutional issues, but more importantly youll hear the facts in real terms with witnesses as to what happened and how they tried to undermine this election. Its going to educate a lot of voters i think whether they want to be educated or not. The criminal
Justice System<\/a> will work and it wont be a political process. Youre going to see facts that show how dangerous these acts were. We could see trump testifying live on television, right . Thats a possibility. It is. I dont think he could testify. Scott has been telling clients for a lot of years do not testify. Its very unusual. Hes been known not to listen to his lawyers. That is part of the reason actually, the testimony question. I think its part of the reason he opted not to remove because if he removed when mark meadows testified, he injured his case very badly with some of the things he said trump would have had to testify. His lawyers, pretty smart, said well, were not going to do that yet. It gets even worse with donald trump because whether its the atlanta trial or the federal trial or new york trial, trumps public statements, the attacks on the judges, attacks on the prosecutors, his interviews with the media, he talks about these cases and makes these
Party Admissions<\/a>. I think in
Federal Court<\/a> you can get those
Party Admissions<\/a> admitted. I dont think theres any way he gets on the stand because it will take three days just to crossexamine him on his prior inconsistent statements. Hes got to do that because hes running for president. I want to talk about a situation where he could testify. That is that 250 million
Civil Fraud Trial In New York<\/a> set to begin monday. The new
York Attorney<\/a> general released a list of witnesses, including trump himself and his children, ivanka, eric and don jr. How do you all see this playing out . Well, the situation is different in a civil case because unlike in a criminal case where donald trump has the right to take the
Fifth Amendment<\/a> without injuring his own case, in a civil case you get what is called an adverse inference. That means if donald trump refuses to testify, if hes called, he takes the
Fifth Amendment<\/a>. Under certain circumstances the judge can say im going to hold that against you, mr. Trump. We will see how these issues play out. I think trump this is a world of hurt in this civil fraud case. What is more important to him, pam, than his businesses, his brand and his name . That is being taken away from him it seems by the judge in this case. The receivership is really going to be harmful. Its up on appeal is how theyre still operating. This hits the pocket books of not only the companies, but the individuals and the civil
Justice System<\/a>, hes got to testify. I know there are exceptions, but the kids have to testify because if their testimony is deemed to be relative, probative and material, theyll take the stand. Theyre parties to the lawsuit. The civil
Justice System<\/a> wont allow any shortcuts to discovery and sworn testimony. They testify, look for that testimony to find its way into the criminal trials. Great to have you on here and your perspectives. Thanks so much. The government could be facing a shutdown this weekend. Congress still took the time to hold its first biden
Impeachment Inquiry<\/a> hearing. Congressman
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Republicans Holding<\/a> their first hearing in the
Impeachment Inquiry<\/a> of
President Biden<\/a>. You might expect the witnesses republicans called would come armed with some evidence. Not so much. I do not believe that the
Current Evidence<\/a> would support articles of impeachment. That is something that an inquiry has to establish. Im not here today to even suggest there was corruption, fraud or any wrongdoing. In my opinion, more information needs to be gathered and assessed before i would make such an assessment. Joining me now, congressman
Eric Swalwell<\/a>, a democrat from california who sits on the house judiciary committee. Hi, congressman. Thanks for coming on. My pleasure. They testified they dont know of any direct evidence implicating joe biden yet at least. Oversight chair congressman james comer, for his part, says hey, this wasnt about fireworks. What was it about in your view . This hearing was not about the
American People<\/a> who are just hours away from a shutdown where our troops will not get paid,
Border Agents<\/a> will not get paid, fbi agents, air
Traffic Controllers<\/a> will not get paid, but instead we got a show today where the
American People<\/a> saw the
Titanic Of Congressional Hearings<\/a> where the republicans who called witnesses said there is nothing there. It was really for one single american, none other than the former president because this congress has become the
Insurrection Llp Law Firm<\/a> where they work every day on behalf of one client. It was embarrassing. I had secondhand embarrassment for comer and jordan and the
Ways And Means<\/a> chair because they had nothing. Their own witnesses said they had nothing and again, the cost is the
American People<\/a> who want their government to work for them saw a complete show that went nowhere and no progress on keeping the government open. Republicans say there is enough smoke to justify an inquiry. They are looking into whether
President Biden<\/a> took any action related to payments his son received or if the president obstructed investigations into his son. They say getting to the bottom of those accusations is a worthy endeavor. In your view, why wouldnt it be . Again, theres just zero evidence. They can call every witness in the world. Theyve got thousands of documents and their own witnesses say theres no evidence for impeachment, but they have never accepted joe biden as president. In fact, they rooted for an insurrection that tried to throw him out. They visit the insurrectionists jailed at the d. C. Jail and this is just a continuation of the insurrection while democrats are working for working people. We want to keep people working so people get their
Social Security<\/a> benefits,
Veterans Benefits<\/a> so troops get paid. Were trying to show the contrast where they are chaotic. We are confident. They are for corruption. We are for the community. That couldnt have been on bigger display than today in that hearing. To be clear, this hearing was full of falsities like this one from congresswoman nancy mays. Lets listen. The president took bribes from burisma. I also want to add betraying your country is treason. Again, that claim is false. At a time when polls show americans are divided about whether joe biden committed wrongdoing and a lot of that is on party lines, are you concerned americans will hear that and believe it . Its a great point. Im just concerned that democrats are on defense too often. We need to play on their side of the field. Thats first discrediting them from the beginning. Jim jordan who led this hearing is 500 plus days into violating his own subpoena. We dont need a lecture from jim jordan on lawlessness. We need to defend these allegations where they come in. Yesterday the
Ways And Means<\/a> chair jason smith said im not really clear on the timeline here. Guess what, pal . You better get clear on the timeline if youre going to try and impeach the president. Then we pivot always to if we were given the keys to government, what would we deliver . Discredit, defend and deliver. We would focus on keeping kids safe in classrooms, working on securing the border from fentanyl, which means keeping the government open, and every single day in america a troop who serves this country should be paid. Youre saying keep the
Border Patrol<\/a> on duty. They want to shut down security at the border. Theyll continue working, though their paycheck may be delayed. I want to note chairman james comers statement tonight. He says, as the bidens were sealing deals around the world, joe biden showed up, met with, talk with, shook hands with and had meetings with the foreign nationals sending money to his family. Biden, as you know, has said he never discussed business with his family, but do you think he should have been more transparent to at least avoid the perception that something unseemly was going on . Again, theres no evidence. First, theres no evidence any deal that hunter biden had done broke the law, right . Theres no indictment of hunter biden for any foreign deal he did. One of the leading president ial candidates on the republican side was doing deals with the chinese the same time hunter had done a deal with the chinese. That in and of itself is not illegal. They have not even connected that dot yet and theres certainly no evidence joe biden received any of the money that his son was working on. We shouldnt accept that anything in this premise is even wrong until they prove its wrong, but most importantly, again this is because they do not accept that joe biden is the president. Its actually laughable they would want to have an impeachment of someone they wont even acknowledge if you ask them is joe biden the president , they wont say hes the president because they tried to run an insurrection on the guy. They dont accept the outcome of the 2020 election but yet want to impeach him. The
American People<\/a> want to us work for them and they did not see that today. Congressman
Eric Swalwell<\/a>, thank you. My pleasure. Thanks, pam. While republicans were holding
Impeachment Hearings<\/a> on the hill,
President Biden<\/a> was warning about the
Maga Movement<\/a>, what he said about the threat it poses up next. President joe biden with a stark warning tonight, democracy is in danger. Listen. Im here to speak about another threat to our democracy that we all too often ignore. The threat to our political institutions, to our constitution itself, the very character of our nation. Democracys maintained by adhering to the constitution and the march to perfecting our union by protecting and expanding rights with each successive generation. Biden warning against the threats that former president and current republican frontrunner donald trump and his
Maga Movement<\/a> pose to american democracy and institutions. Joining us now, harvard professor of government daniel zebla, coauthor of the book how democracies die. So youve written and spoken out extensively on threats to our democracy, the attack on institutions, the undermining of the constitution. Where do you see the biggest threat now . Just remind our viewers just how fragile the american experiment is. Certainly correct and i think
President Biden<\/a> really described it pretty aptly today. In our book weve just published we make the case to be a party or politician committed to democracy, you have to do three basic things. You have to accept elections whether you win or lose. You have to not lose violence when gaining power or holding onto power. If youre a
Mainstream Party<\/a> or politician, you have to call out and disassociate yourself from your own allies who engage in those kinds of behaviors. What weve seen and provide account of this in our book, over the course of the 20th century in latin america and 60s and 70s europe, the 1920s and 30s, its when politicians turn a blind eye to abuses like this democracy really gets into trouble. President biden, for his part, has made the threat to democracy a cornerstone to his campaign. Do you think his messaging about this is compelling enough to reach the people who may not see it or even care . Well, i think there are large majorities of americans who do, of course, support democracy, liberal democracy, and whats kind of striking about the current moment, what makes it so difficult is when youre in a twoparty system, we have two parties and one of the parties is going off the rails in large portions of it, this could be very dangerous. Its hard to sustain a democracy. I think the historical record is very clear if you dont have at least two parties committed to democracy. I think what
President Biden<\/a> is trying to call out is that there are elements and certainly not all elements within the
Republican Party<\/a>, but there are elements who dont accept
Election Results<\/a> and are engaging in violence. This is certainly a kind of basic threat. In order for democracy to fight, we need two parties competing for majorities, willing to turn out voters and try to win power through legitimate means. Yeah. President biden really focused on republicans and their silence he said is deafening. What in your view do these republicans need to be saying now about this . What would you like to hear from them . I think it really goes back to the events of january 6th where there was a moment where theres a clear assault on the constitutional process, transition of power, and i think most
Republican Leaders<\/a> really regarded this as unacceptable, what happened, but theres really been an effort to kind of downplay it and not really recognize the threat there and essentially now the republicans find themselves in the situation where theyre back to square one and
Republican Leaders<\/a> have a candidate who they dont necessarily wish for. This represents a threat because if you have parties making threats about when they come into office, all of the assaults theyre going to carry out, one of things weve learned studying historical cases is authoritarians, if they advertise what theyre going to do, they usually do it. In your view, what does a second trump term look like . Again, weve begun to see the outlines of this. Its pretty clear before 2016 candidate trump said he might not accept
Election Results<\/a> if he lost. We saw this came to fruition in 2020. I think we have to take the threats hes making today and the last several days very seriously, this effort to pack and purge the bureaucracy to go after the
National Security<\/a> apparatus. These are things that are deeply, deeply worrying because theyre totally destabilizing of a democracy. What weve seen in more contemporary cases of democracy is political leaders often come into power elected. In that sense it seems kind of democratic, but they tilt the
Playing Field<\/a> to make it impossible to get them out of office. Thank you for coming on and offering your perspective. Thanks so much. Senator bob menendez defiant today telling
Senate Democrats<\/a> he wont resign despite facing bribery charges. Ill talk to someone who is in a similar situation up next. Tonight senator bob menendez doubling down telling fellow
Senate Democrats<\/a> he will not resign after pleading not guilty to allegations he took bribes and passed
Sensitive Information<\/a> to the
Egyptian Government<\/a>. The senator has repeatedly said prosecutors misrepresented the normal work of a congressional official. I firmly believe when all the facts are presented, not only will i be exonerated, but i still will be the new jerseys senior senator. I have withdrawn thousands of dollars in cash from my personal
Savings Account<\/a>, which i have kept for emergencies and because of the history of my family
Facing Confiscation<\/a> in cuba. This may seem oldfashioned, but these were moneys drawn from my personal
Savings Account<\/a> based on the income that i have lawfully derived over those 30 years. Less than a decade ago justices reviewed a case that echoed todays menendez scandal that involved former
Virginia Governor<\/a>
Bob Mcdonnell<\/a> whom a federal jury found guilty on 11
Corruption Counts<\/a> for accepting lavish gifts from a businessman in exchange for favorable actions from the government. In 2016
Supreme Court<\/a> justices unanimously overturned his corruption conviction on the grounds those actions were permissible. Joining us now is former governor
Bob Mcdonnell<\/a>. Thank you so much for joining us, governor. Yeah, pamela. Thanks for having me on. More than two dozen senators have called on menendez to resign. I want to know your view. Do you think he should step down based on what we know from the indictment, these allegations . Its a tough call. First of all, you have the presumption of innocence, hallmark of
The American Legal System<\/a> and secondly, you hate to try these cases in the press because you only have a small amount of the evidence. On the surface when you see gold bars and major cash envelopes with the fingerprints of egyptian businessmen on it and mercedes and mortgage payments, it certainly doesnt look good on the surface and then apparently were hearing theres a
Treasure Trough<\/a> of emails between his wife and these egyptian
Business People<\/a> and not to mention as head of the
Senate Foreign<\/a>
Relations Committee<\/a> actually helping unlock a whole state
Department Funds<\/a> for human rights issues, it doesnt look good at all and very different from the facts from which he was exonerated back in 2017 and 18. Pamela, i think its a political decision first as to whether or not he believes he can do the job and whether or not he has the trust of the people in new jersey. Your case from the
Supreme Court<\/a> was huge. It was monumental in defining the legal parameters of these
Corruption Cases<\/a> and what an official act is. Senator menendez for his part is claiming the accusations against him are really part of his official duties. They are official acts. As i said, during the
Supreme Court<\/a>, the ruling said the accusations of corruption had to involve more than just setting up meetings. Based on the indictment, what do you think about mr. Menendezs case . Do you agree with him this was just normal work of the government that he was engaged in . You have to prove it quid pro quo, as you know, pamela. Theres plenty of quid here, obviously the list of gifts, cash, gold, et cetera. The question is there a pro . In other words, did he get the gifts in exchange for doing those actions and that can be implied or direct evidence. Those texts from the wife are pretty troubling, but if these are official acts under the lawn, the things he did to try to influence the
State Department<\/a> to help the
Egyptian Government<\/a> or these egyptian
Business People<\/a> by putting his thumb on the scales of influence of government, thats the way its been defined an official act, then that completes the crime. I do want to note jack smith was the prosecutor of your trial. He is also prosecuting
Donald Trumps<\/a>
Election Interference<\/a> and maralago documents case. Im wondering if you have any thoughts on the governments cases there and how smith is perceiving this . You have a unique perspective on jack smith. I do. Jack smith is a remarkably talented lawyer, given decades of his time to
Public Service<\/a> and for many years and many of the doj jobs i think he did well. My concern about mr. Smith is during the five years that he was head of the
Public Integrity<\/a> section, pamela, he just consistently used bad judgment to go after high profile officials showing to me that hed rather win than get it right. Not only bob menendez, not only john edwards, in other words, it was bipartisan, but in my case where he was unanimously wrong as the
Supreme Court<\/a> said and wrote a very stinging opinion in rebuke of the governments expansive theory that basically criminalized normal things that legislators and
Government Officials<\/a> do. That was the
Supreme Court<\/a> opinion in my case. I have to ask you before you go, as you reflect back on your own case and again, the
Supreme Court<\/a> threw out your conviction, but as you look back on it, do you have any regrets about some of the actions you took . How do you see it now, years later . Of course, pamela, i played that back a thousand times in my mind. I spent 38 years in my life from
Public Service<\/a> from an
Army Lieutenant<\/a> in germany to governor of virginia and try to do my best every step of the way. Of course, i look back and think there were things i absolutely would have done differently in the haste of
Decision Making<\/a> and a busy office. There were some things i should have done differently, nothing that was remotely illegal under state or federal law. Governor bob mcconnell, thank you so much for your time. Pamela, great to be on with you. Thank you. Thanks for watching our coverage continues. Is it possible my network could take my business to the next level . It is with comcast business. Powering all your devices with gigspeed wifi. And you get fast downloads and uploads. Pick it up pick it up oh we got this because its powered by
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