Documents indictment, things have the case against his former boss, his name is brian butler, and hes been talking to investigators and now hes talking to the sources Kaitlan Collins, who joins us its from miami. So why is he speaking out now . Kaitlyn well, anderson, in part because hes worried that americans and voters will never get to hear this story before the election in november. Obviously, trumps legal team has sought this strategy of delay, delay, delay, especially when it comes to the classified documents case. And so this witness, someone and who was a longtime employee at maralago for 20 years is now speaking out publicly because of a concern that that it may not come to light. I mean, donald trump has repeatedly called this investigation a witch hunt. Brian butler, who until now was known only as trump employee number five, is now saying that he disagrees with that. He doesnt believe its a witchhunt and he was able to provide key testimony to the special counsel, jack smith here, including about key moments including one where walt nauta, who is trumps body man, turned codefendant, asked him to help load boxes onto a plane that was bound for trumps club in new jersey from palm beach as the fbi in trumps attorneys were meeting at that time at his Maralago Club and then what happened is walt left before me and he never goes directly to the plane. Hes either in the motorcade when he goes there with the boss, which the former president and i remember telling him he left the club with i didnt know what he had in his vehicle, but he waited for me at a nearby business and i told him i would tell him when i was leaving maralago so i left maralago. I texted him, hey, im on my way. He followed me. He pulled out and got behind me. We got to the airport. I ended up loading all the luggage i had and he had a bunch of boxes you noticed that he had thought they were the boxes that were in the indictment, the white bankers boxes. Thats what i remember loading. And did you have any time any idea at the time that there was potentially Us National Security secrets in those boxes . No clue. No i had no clue. I mean, we were just taking them out of the escalate piling them up. I remember they were all stacked on top of each other and then were lifting them up to the pilots and anderson, one key point on this, kaitlan, poland, and i have been reporting on this story for months, if not over a year now. And when it comes to those documents that were taken to new jersey, that is something that was we were pursuing investigators were pursuing it. Its still not clear to this day where those boxes that went to new jersey ended up . Of course we know a lot of them were taken from maralago during that search that happened in august of 2022. But the ones that went to new jersey, its still unclear where exactly they went and why did butler decided to get his own attorney rather than using one of the trumps attorneys thats a key difference because you can see basically the divergent paths that a lot of these witnesses are taking when it comes to who is paying for their attorneys for brian butler, it was important for him to pay for his own attorney here, even though he was offered a trump world attorney, he had that offer made to him and after he got a subpoena to appear before the grand jury what does he noted, he has done for a significant amount of time, provided a lot of testimony to them. He got this voicemail that is from an attorney who was in trump world who was representing several of the witnesses here and trump himself, john rally, who loved this voicemail on brians phone . Hey, brian, good morning. My name is john rally on one of the lawyers representing president trump. Its my understanding that you got a Grand Jury Subpoena would you please give me a call at your first opportunities . I should note he did not answer that call. He did not return them voicemail. He instead pass it on to his attorney, but he said he did feel pressure from one of the other codefendants here, carlos de oliviera, to get an attorney from trump world, kaitlan, stay with us. I wanna bring in senior legal analyst, elie honig, and also Carrie Cordero Carrie Cordero. Elie, how significant again is a witness like this for the prosecution, you think, you know, in any case as a prosecutor, anderson you always want a tour guide the, snippets, the kaitlan just played as you get a lot of insight into how things work, who reported to who, and also one of the big mysteries in this case as kaitlan said, how did these documents make their way from Florida Up To new jersey . So the other thing that i notice about this witness, and its in the writeup that Kaitlan Collins and Katelyn Polantz did, is this winter this is not eager to get trump. Theres a moment when he tells them Something Like, i realized as the fbi was questioning me that my information was going to be used against trump and i didnt like that, but i felt important to tell the truth and so as a prosecutor, i think thats a really important indicator of credibility and kerry, would prosecutors likely have some sort of a deal in place with butler, this well, he hasnt been charged, so i think his fact theres a couple of things. So first, the facts are that are relayed in the interview that kaitlan has done, doesnt sound like he knowingly was a participant in the unauthorized mishandling of classified information. So it doesnt necessarily sound like he knew exactly what was going on, but he knew somethings sort of squirrely was going on. So im not sure that there is evidence that the Justice Department has again, just based on this interview so far, that would indicate he could be charged it also sounds as if he has been as forthcoming as possible. And so based on what he has seen and his observations about the actions of others, he does seem like he would be a compelling witness, but im not sure based on what ive heard so far, that he necessarily would have had his own Criminal Culpability Kaitlan hes not saying that he saw what was in the boxes. He is saying just those were the boxes that were later seen that had been seen in photographs that kind of boxes that weve all seen in those photographs. Can you just explain again the timeline of all of this . So as hes going to the airport with the box, theyre taking the boxes to new jersey. Is that really the moment that the fbi is at maralago or is that the de the fbi is going to maralago to try to track these things down . Brian butler described it as kind of a puzzle where he was just able to put the pieces together later on. And also the indictment really helped to be able to see what was really happening. And these two days in june of 2022 were so critical because on june 2 was when trumps attorney went into the storage room in the basement of maralago went through the door occupants looked for what was classified documents he believed, then took them upstairs, put them in a Redweld Folder to give them to the fbi. The fbi agents show up at maralago on june 3, the next day. And is brian butler noted trump was still there, which was a bit unusual. He typically would leave to go to new jersey to his club earlier than that, but he was still there that day . Hey and what brian remember seeing is trumps attorney evan corcoran. Hes very tall, hes got the silver hair. He remember seeing that he didnt know who the other people were in or sin, but he now realizes they were fbi agents and they were there on june 3. We do know that because that was when they handed over those 30 or so classified documents. They handed out over a form that said, i attest that this was a diligent search and the best of our ability, everything that was here, of course, that was not true. Anderson and the attorney, they say didnt know that at the time, but that was months before the fbi showed up and found hundreds of classified documents still there, but its a key part of this because it was that day before when trumps attorney went into that storage room to look that walt nauta, who is now a codefendant here and Carlos De Oliveira had moved documents into Trumps Office 30 boxes or 60 boxes, and then move 30 back. And so there were these key moments happening that this trump employee five didnt realize at the time and can only fully appreciate now that he looks back, elie, how do you think the defense will try to crossexamine a witness like and because again, he took his own testimony, did not look inside the boxes. Yeah. I think therell be aggressive for sharing crossexamination. I think this is going to be a pivotal witness. Youre right. I think theyre going to do a couple of things. First of all, theyre going to point out gaps in his knowledge. Ill say to him you didnt open those boxes. Boxes look alike. How do you know this box was the exact box in the indictment, Donald Trumps team. I assure you well say most or all of your information. It sounds like that he got didnt come from donald trump. It came from walt nauta. It came from mr. De oliveira. And so theyll say its secondhand, its not as compelling against donald trump, but as carrie said, it appears this person, mr. Butler not have any sort of criminal liability. Doj did not make him plead guilty to a charge. What he probably has as either a nonprosecution agreement, which sort of is what it sounds like or immunity which is a formal agreement where they say, youre going to testify in your words, wont be used to prosecute you. And so i think theres another line of crossexamination that youre just telling prosecutors what they want to hear to save your own, hide. All right. Elie carrie, katelyn, thanks very much in kept kaitlans Catch Kaitlan full interview with former trump employee brian butler at the top of the next hour on her program, the source right here on cnn 09 00 p. M. Now, the criminal trial thats scheduled to begin just two weeks from today. Thats when Jury Selection is set to start a manhattan district attorney, alvin braggs case. Again since the former president alleging he falsified Business Records tied to the 2016 hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels in emotion made public today. His attorneys asked the judge to delay the trial until the Supreme Court rules and whether hes covered by president ial immunity in the january 6 case, cnns Jessica Schneider joins us now with more on that. So is this Justice Delay Tactic . Yet, Delay Anderson is probably likely part of the strategy trumps lawyers have been very good about dredging up every possible legal issue filing motions to delay any number of cases. Now in this particular instance, what theyre doing is theyre pointing to the fact that the Manhattan Das Office actually wants to bring into evidence at the trial some of the public statements and twitter post that trump made in 2018 while he was president about Stormy Daniels and trumps payments to Michael Cohen and trumps lawyers are saying that some of those statements should be excluded from evidence because trump, they argue was acting in his official capacity as president. And thats the part that goes to the Supreme Court. What theyll be weighing on april 20 fifth whether a former president can be immune from criminal prosecution for things that might constitute official acts. Now, whether tweeting about Stormy Daniels or michael going can actually be deemed an official act. Its questionable, but basically what trumps lawyers are saying is all of these questions about official acts and president ial immunity, they argue they need to be determined by the Supreme Court first before they move forward in this hush money okay. So thats their argument. And whats the reaction from the judge . The judge has a few things to say. First off, hes questioning why the Trump Legal Team waited so long to file this motion to delay the trial. Jury selection is slated to start in two weeks. And actually the deadline for any motions was february 22, despite all that, the judge here, hes asking for the das office to respond to this request to delay by wednesday, and hes doing another thing, anderson, the judge is also sending really somewhat of a stern warning for moving forward. Hes saying that trumps team and the das prosecutors must now seek permission if theyre going to file any new motions ahead of Jury Selection. And i read that as really indicating that the new york judge wants to keep this case moving, and he might not go grant those efforts to delay in this trial might go forward on march 25th, anderson, Jessica Schneider, thanks very much coming up next borderline dishonesty. How senator katie britt misrepresented a womans story of being sex trafficked to score political points in her state of the Union Response. And why her explanation now, what she did it doesnt make sense. Were keeping them honest also, with all the concerns about princess kate medical condition after surgery, fun disclosed abdominal issues you can now add a new complication that doctors family photo, and the royal fiasco surrounding it Anderson Cooper 360. He is brought to you by teba visit. Sounds like td. Com dan made progress with his Mental Health, but his medication caused unintentional movements in his face, hands, and feet called Tardive Dyskinesia or td so his dr. 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The bad faith has do with how theyre making that argument and continued to even have to be and called on it, specifically, alabama senator katie britt, who is, you know, said this last week while giving the republican state of the Union Response we know that President Biden didnt just create this Border Crisis he invited it with 90 executive actions in his first 100 days when i took office, i took a different approach. I traveled to the Del Rio Sector of texas thats where i spoke to a woman who shared her story with me she had been sex trafficked by the cartels, starting at the age of 12 she told me not just that she was raped every day but how many times a day she was raped . We wouldnt be okay with this happening in a third world country. This is the United States of america. And it is past time, in my opinion, that we start acting like it President Bidens Border Policies are a disgrace. Prison bidens Border Crisis, she calls it a disgrace. She said, not just created by the president , but invited by him according to the senator, which might be political hyperbole. And while addressing that problem is any president s responsibility, one could find facts and figures and personal stories to make a case that this president is failing on that school or she could have done that. The senator. But keeping them honest, thats not what katie britt did. Instead, she made that womans all Too Real Horror Story A Centerpiece of her argument when it just doesnt belong there. Something a journalist named Jonathan Katz first pick up on posted to social media friday night. Hell join me in a moment. First though. Heres part part of what he posted after watching with senator britts state of the Union Response specifically about the part when she mentioned the woman who survived bray so i immediately had questions. Who was this woman . How did she meet her . How did she get her to tell her this story . What country did it happen in it . Did it happen before joe biden was president so as mr. Katz quickly discovered the womans name is Karla Jacinto. Shes an advocate for Tracking Victims and a longtime acquaintance of cnns rafael romo, who spoke exclusively with her over the weekend at one point when i met you years and years ago, you told me that you felt like at the beginning, mexican politicians had taken advantage of you by using your story for political purposes do you feel like that happened once again here in the United States jaw and yes. In fact, i hardly ever cooperate with politicians because it seems to me that they only want an image, they only want a photo and that to me is not fair to also told me that senator britt got menu so the facts of her story wrong. Number one, she was not trafficked by mexican drug cartels, but by a pimp that operated as part of a family that entrapped vulnerable girls in order to force them into prostitution to she also said she was never trafficked in the United States. Senator britt appeared to suggest three, she was kept in captivity from 2004 to 2008 when president George W Bush, a republican, was in office as opposed to the Current Administration as a senator implied. And finally, for she met the senator at an event that the border with other Government Officials and antihumantrafficking activists, instead of one on one so just to recap, yes, Carlo Jacinto was a tragic victim and incredibly brave survivor and advocate. But as she says, it wasnt mexican cartels trafficking her across the border in the United States, in the Del Rio Sector is its a senator intimated and the nightmare which she courageously survived did not happen during the Biden Administration, having 20 years ago during George W Bushs presidency in mexico, not the United States. But again, you would not know any of that from senator britts account, the digging that mr. Katz touched off only picked up steam throughout the weekend. So by the time senator britt was on Fox On Sunday it was a big deal which senator britt tried to downplay. Heres what she said about it. Did you mean to give the impression that this horrible story happened on President Bidens watch you can and look, i very specifically said this is what President Biden did during his first 100 days. But to be clear, the story that you relate is not something thats happened under the Biden Administration and that particular person im very very clearly said i spoke to a woman who told me about when she was trafficked, when she was 12. So i didnt say a teenager. I didnt say a young woman a grown woman, a woman when she was trafficked, when she was 12 shame on everyone else. She seems to be saying for not doing the math in your head and figuring out that she was being misleading. Now we might have helped if she said in her speech when she was 12 back during the George W Bush administration in 2004, when it actually happened, or if shed had the grace and courtesy to actually mention the name of this courageous survivor, even the first name but she didnt do that. She just wanted to use her story. She implied this was a story that only she was told and it wasnt. She also implied that it took place the United States and it didnt. And she made this woman the emotional linchpin of her case against the current president. And in case you think that that wasnt deliberate, listen to what senator britt and Tennessee Republican Marsha Blackburn said back in june anyway, of last year, after meeting in public with Karla Jacinto weve also heard from victims of Human Trafficking and let me tell you those stories are reaching as she talks about being abused from the time she was five years old to actually being traffic between the ages of 12, 16, you know, you cant help us think about your own. And if we as leaders of the greatest nation in the world, are not fighting to protect the most vulnerable. We are not doing her job. And this is partisan Vice President nuris. Short time ago, cnn tried to ask senator britt about all this as she was leaving Party Leadership meeting, she declined to comment. However, her colleague, Roger Marshall of kansas, when asked about this woman story not being connected to the drug cartel said quote, he said, yeah, i think we could have done a better job with that. I tend to use story is that i know firsthand perspective now from Jonathan Katz, whos tiktok post got this entire conversation started so jonathan, what first made you suspicious of the senators story . And can you just kind of walk us through how you went about tracking it down . Well, the whole thing was weird. As you know, the entire speech. The thing that really stuck out to me about that one part was there was this weird combination of extremely lurid detail, but also no detail at all. Like she she she talked about very specifically the things that happen to this person that she talked to. But she didnt say anything about where she talked to her, what she knew about her where the events happened when the events happened and the other thing that confused me at that moment was i was like, well, this sounds like somebody whod be a perfect candidate for asylum, like did this person get asylum . Is this person still in the United States . And i just was sitting there and during the extremely weird kitchen speech, i just started googling and it didnt really take much time at all. I think its the fastest investigative work are done it and didnt you i mean, did you immediately find the Press Conference that the senator held with this woman and others. There are a couple of steps inbetween. I mean, first i found out that senator britt had been telling the story over and over again because there were a whole bunch of hits for it, even though it made it sound like this was the first time she she had told it. Yeah. No, that was the first thing. I was like, well, this is not this is not a new story. This something thats almost become maybe a stump speech for her in a way then i realized that she had gone on this trip with Marsha Blackburn and cindy hydesmith in january of 2023. And then i looked at senator blackburns webpage, found that Press Release and thats when i saw the Press Conference. They call it a roundtable, but the Press Conferences they have with this woman, Karla Jacinto romero. Im wondering what you made of senator britt defend yourself on fox yesterday because she essentially said, well it was implied. I wasnt i wasnt connecting this the Biden Administration, even though she was connecting this, the Biden Administration and she said, well, i did say you know, this was a child and i was spoken until a woman, assuming i guess that viewers were supposed to have done the math and figured out that this was an old story that was one of the pieces of math that i did. There were a lot of things that were weird about it. That was one of them that shes describing something that happened to somebody when they were 12 years old and she calls them a woman. I was like, well, this couldnt have happened in the last couple of years then, so i picked up on that. I think it was its pretty subtle, but i thought her response wasnt really a response at all. The host on fox asked her very specifically, like, were you were you trying to imply that this happened during the Biden Administration and then she says no, and then she goes on talking about essentially how joe biden is responsible for this thing that happened 20 years ago. Its also interesting me that she never used the victim of this name generally, if youre telling the story of some, but its something traumatic has happened to i mean, just as a sense of decency and making them into a actual person you would, at the very least use there first name with their permission in your tiktok, you mentioned that reaching out to senator britts office. Im wondering if you ever heard back from them because theyve theyve put out stuff now, but im wondering if they ever actually responded to you because you are the one who really uncovered this. They have never responded to me. I was not easy to find her spokesperson, the parent. This is a hard thing to do. These things its defined legislators, spokespeople that used to be the easiest thing. But i sent him an email immediately. I mean, i send an email that night at 11 20 p. M. Or Something Like that on these coasts. Hes never responded to me. All ive seen are the responses that hes given to other people. He said it seems like everybody else. This this kind of stock response. In which he said that the story was 100 correct. And then ive seen the senators response on fox news and ive also seen Karla Jacinto is response on cnn, where she said that the story was told without her permission, which was again i didnt know that for a fact, but it was just something that i kind of sense there was something that there was something about the way that she told that story that reminded me of the way that unscrupulous people tell stories of people from the global south in ways that center them instead of the people whove gone through the trauma . Yeah. Jonathan katz. Thank you so much for talking. 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A smiling Princess Of Wales with her three children, looking the picture of health, but instead, it fueled them the photo released on sunday by the royal family dramatically pulled from circulation by several major News Agencies later that day, citing concerns that it had been manipulated the Princess Of Wales apologized on monday taking personal responsibility for editing the image. Like many Amateur Photographers, she said, i do occasionally experiment with editing. I wanted to express my apologies for any confusion. The family photograph we shared yesterday caused a cnn analysis of the photo found at least two areas which appear to show evidence. The photo has been potentially altered, including princess charlottes sleeve, which seems to melt into nothing. And then kates zipper, which appears to be cut short cnn is continuing to use the original photo in the context of the debate around its alleged manipulation. A royal source told cnn on monday, the princess made minor adjustments to the image as she shared in her statement on social media, but didnt explain why they werent transparent about the edits when they shared the image with news media and pitch agencies afp, one of the International Agencies to pull the photo, stood by its decision on monday. We have a duty of trust towards our subscribers, towards their viewers, and we have to kill the picture. Its absolutely red line that was crossed there in terms of journalism, the image was released by the royals for mothers day in the uk, along with a message from kate thanking people for their support. In the past two months the print sas has been out of The Public Eye since she underwent Abdominal Surgery in january. This rare glimpse of her on monday spotted alongside her husband, William In A Car Leaving Windsor for a private appointment in the vacuum of information without the regular oncamera appearances Conspiracy Theories have been swirling about the status of kates health first additions or british newspapers published before the image was pulled by agencies present the picture as happy proof of her recovery. But the subsequent unprecedented withdrawal by some agencies percent speculation about her wellbeing into overdrive im joined now by max foster and Cnn Royal Commentator and author Sally Bedell Smith so max, i mean, is this a case of good intentions gone awry . And also, i mean, the idea that she was actually Photo Editing herself, like she says, many Amateur Photographer some Amateur Photographers do is that believable well, theres big team around them. Certainly the narrative is that this was a social post that she put up to reflect a happy day and she went a bit far with the editing and clearly she wasnt very good at it, will have to wait to see what actually ive been behind the scenes. But the other side of this is that this picture was also sent out as a Press Release effectively to the media to use editorial purposes. They werent transparent about the fact that had been edited. So theres a big trust issue there now and theyve also got this issue that for weeks now, theres been huge amounts of speculation about a coverup at the palace. We havent given it much credence because its not based on anything. But now we have to look at those Conspiracy Theories and consider them because this were not being given the original photo. We dont know what was in the original photo, but it does smack of cover up for a lot of people sally, what do you make of this Budget Attempt to quelling fears over the princesses held it was indeed a botched attempt to end. If you believe what . What is being put out, she didnt have any malign intent in this. It doesnt appear and i think they even released a statement that there was no use of ai. There was no effort to put an image of her in the photo, but there is other evidence there have possibly been combined images in that photo. I think if for motive was to present a happy family and we all know those of us who have had children, how hard it is to put a family photo together where everybody is smiling. And if she combined a bunch of images children. Thats not great. But i think more worrying would be if she had manipulated her own image with with an intention of showing her to be healthy. It doesnt seem as if she did that and they went out of the way to say that they that she hadnt used any Artificial Intelligence but its, its, its a worrying moment. And i think its something that the palace has to think really hard about because they above all need to present authentic images and if they dont, it really damages their credibility. Max, i mean, wouldnt this have gone through several layers or at least one layer of somebody elses eyes on this saying, oh yeah, thats, thats fine. That this can be released. I dont think or i dont know. You said they have a staff i mean are, they up late at night to sort of sending out photos to the public . They suddenly do send out a minus log of the social media. I mean, i cant say that doesnt post their own images. I would find it extraordinary. She actually did theres layers of people who are very experienced too this was, a bad idea. Im sure. I just dont know the background. Theyre saying so little about it. The big issue theyve got here that the monarchy represents continuity, stability there. So careful not to create any sense of panic around anything. But on this occasion, theyve created panic with this vacuum of information which is filled with a lot of nonsense. But now were having to look at because they created a lot of people are calling a fake photo, put it out. Because they could very easily sally, i mean, again i mean, you can make an argument. They deserve their privacy and they, you know, i mean, i dont really want the best for them. I dont have any stake in this, but if theyd want it to quell, they say it could just say, look, this was a bad look. I tried to make this look. Heres a picture that i tried to put together to try to get all the kids smiling the picture that would be understandable, but it doesnt seem like theyre inclined to put out any more information about this no. And i dont think thats helping them. I think they need to be more clear about a lot of things because if you have a, vacuum, people will fill it. And thatll fill it with all sorts of outlandish rumors and conspiracies and theories so i think i hate the word Teachable Moment, but maybe this is a Teachable Moment for them to figure out i mean, this is a whole new world. Ai is zooming along deep fakes are permeating our culture. Instagram is filled with images of people who really dont look the way they do in real life. And i think the palace has to figure out how theyre going operate in that kind of environment. Max foster, Sally Bedell Smith. Thank you so much. Youre welcome. 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Now this new information comes as two top intelligence officials testified today that ukraine is likely to lose more territory this year without any additional military assistance. The Nuclear Threat worries. Threat worries is one of the insightful stories in jims new book, the return of great powers, russia, china, and the next world war, which is available tomorrow. And jim sciutto joins us now. So congrats on the book, talk about how close the United States thought russia was to actually using a Nuclear Weapon in ukraine this was a truly scary period. This was the late summer, early fall of 2022, the first months of the russian invasion of ukraine. And it was a number of indicators that made the us make this assessment for one, russia was losing ground in southern ukraine. There was a potential of thousands of Russian Forces just being surrounded as they were treated from kherson in the south. And it was the us rate of Russian Military doctrine that if they felt they were about to lose many thousands of troops, they might calculate that they could use a Nuclear Weapon to head that off from happening at the same time, russian officials started to speak publicly about what the us knew to be a madeup threat. And that was that ukraine was going to carry out a dirty bomb radioactive bomb attack in southern ukraine. And the read of that was that russia was creating a pretext to carry out a Nuclear Attack to say, well, that the craniums are planning this were just responding to them. But i think probably the biggest piece of this anderson was that the us also had hard intelligence intercepted communications of russian commanders talking about the possibility of a tactical Nuclear Strike and at that point they said we have to take this seriously. We have to prepare for all options, including potential military responses to a Nuclear Strike and what do officials think of the risk of Nuclear Weapons . I mean, is there a risk now . There is a risk because russia has Nuclear Weapons, particularly tactical nukes, these or battlefield nuclear, Nuclear Weapons, smaller than the kind of weapon that would wipe out a city. But in Russian Military doctrine they see that as a reasonable response even to a conventional threat. If for instance, they felt that they were going to lose a large amount out of territory. Thats why when you hear and putin just did this a couple of weeks ago again, when you hear senior russian leaders say, hey, by the way, we have Nuclear Weapons and we might find ourselves in a nuclear conflict. The ears of us officials and european officials perk up because they know that from a machine, Russian Military perspective if thats at least an option for them and it got so close in 202021 worry that the us had anderson, is that tactical nukes are small enough that the us wouldnt necessarily know if russia had moved them into place because they can be fired from conventional systems as well. In the book, you also write about a National Security wildcard, the potential election of trump again. And i know you spoke with former members of his National Security team in foreign leaders. What did they tell you . Whyl tell you the most alarming is that trump and i know he said publicly he admires the putins of the world, the shoes of the world victor or ban. He just said that this week. But general john kelly, who of course was his chief of staff, says that trump repeated heatedly, expressed admiration for adolf hitler to john kelly. And here you have this marine general john kelly saying, excuse me, sir. And trump saying, well, he did a lot of good things. Thats a direct quote from john kelly. What could things mr. President kelly said. He said, well, he rebuilt the German Economy and kelly would say to him, yeah, but he then used it the the economy to wage war against europe. And by the way, mr. President 400,000 american gis died in that war. But it would go on and he would say that, well, hitlers generals were loyal to him and general kelly would remind trump that, well, actually hitlers generals tried to assassinate him, but the facts didnt matter. This was a broad odd admiration that his advisers say trump had for despots, for people with unlimited power. In part because in their reading of it, trump imagines himself as strong as they are and deserving of that same power. Its listen, its americans are going to have a choice in november about the kind of leader they want. And trumps own one senior advisers say, this is the kind of leader he is and he will act on these things as president in a second. So it should, because there was that story early on, i think it had been reported initially in vanity fair about him keeping a copy of mine comp by his bedside that people discounted. Tear this from john kellys incredible yeah. It is. And its consistent, right . Because its the same way he talks about Vladimir Putin today. Or xi jinping orban, whos just been fretting over in maralago. Exactly. And heres another thing i by the way, this is something i heard not just from americans, but from europeans. And i went to eastern europe. I went to ukraine, of course, i went to taiwan and reporting this story is that at the core of this as a fundal fundamental misunderstanding by trump of these people, theres latimer putin. Putin has every interest in undermining the us, in weakening the us in taking things away and breaking down the system that we depend on. Same with china. China wants a weaker american, not a stronger one. One so trump is reads them when he imagines that just by the force of his charming personality, hes going to change their interests, but he wont. These are Strategic Interests of russia and china in terms of undermining the us and its allies, jim congratulations in the book, the return of great powers, russia, china, and the next world war starting tomorrow, and get it right now up next, the new effort by Convicted Murderer has got peterson to clear his name. The killing of his wife and unborn son more than 20 years later seven astronauts setting off on a Scientific Mission hey, were doing great. Columbia com check nothing if you work in spaceflight, this is just the worst possible thing i could ever happen the Space Shuttle accident, its usually not one thing is that the wing im coming apart my dad died doing what he is Space Shuttle columbia, final flight her sunday, april 7, that nih cnn. 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Now at the time, they were expecting their first child, he was convicted of their murders two years later. Well, now the los angeles Innocence Project is representing peterson and focus on what it says is newly discovered evidence and their words in hopes of getting a new trial and look at how we got here. Heres randi kaye thats laci peterson, long before the world knew her name. She was just 27 years old when she disappeared, and nearly eight months pregnant. We all love lacey, we all care for each other. And then were all working towards bringing her home laci, his husband, Scott Peterson, told investigators he was fishing in the San Francisco bay near the Berkeley Marina when his wife disappeared. But investigators said his story didnt exactly add up. Were just here to confirm or to see if theres any information that lacey was up in this area . Thats the you know, if the husband was here while detectives tried to figure out what happened to lacey, her family and friends organized searches as time went on, lacey story captivated the country we know there is someone who knows something and if that person would just come forward and let us know where she is so that we can bring her home. Laces february 2003, due date came and went for the flyers off of that website and get them to any Law Enforcement and peoples area any hospitals, and birthing centers just keep the word out there because she will be giving birth real soon investigators search to the couples home and questions Scott Peterson, he kept a pretty low profile until this woman, amber fry expose their sixweek long affair during a bombshell news conference, i met Scot Peterson november 20, 2000 to scott told me he was not married. We did have a romantic relationship that Relationship Investigators believed could have been a motive for Scott Peterson to kill his wife . Had nothing to do with her disappearance, but people still accuse me of it. He also spoke with abc hes diane sawyer, you know, that people sitting at home have imagined that either you were in love with someone else. Therefore, you decided to get rid of this entanglement, namely your wife and your child or there was just an angry confrontation . Neither of those was the case is its that simple despite his claims of innocence, more questions about Scot Petersons behavior surfaced investigators wondered why on Christmas Eve with a very pregnant wife did Scot Peterson drive a couple hours away to go fishing in april 2003 . Nearly four months after laci disappeared, her body and the body of their unborn son washed up on the shores of San Francisco bay Scott Peterson was arrested for days later and charged with two Felony Counts of murder. He continued to maintain his innocence by june 2000 for Scott Peterson was on trial five months and close to 200 witnesses, then finally, a verdict where the jury in the aboveentitled cause, quite a dependent Scott Peterson, guilty of the crime of murder. Scot peterson was found guilty of firstdegree murder for his wife, laci, and seconddegree murder for his unborn child. The judge sentenced him to death. But in 2021, nearly 20 years after the murders, peterson was resentenced to life without parole after for the california Supreme Court found the jury in his case was not screened properly for bias regarding the death penalty. And now, if he does get a new trial based on what the Innocence Project calls, quote, newly discovered evidence. Hell have another chance at freedom and randi joins us now. So what more about this hearing for Scott Peterson tomorrow . Its going to happen there well, we know anderson that Scot Peterson will join the hearing via zoom from prison
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