Documents indictment, things have the case against his former boss, his name is brian butler, and hes been talking to investigators and now hes talking to the sources Kaitlan Collins, who joins us its from miami. So why is he speaking out now . Kaitlyn well, anderson, in part because hes worried that americans and voters will never get to hear this story before the election in november. Obviously, trumps legal team has sought this strategy of delay, delay, delay, especially when it comes to the classified documents case. And so this witness, someone and who was a longtime employee at maralago for 20 years is now speaking out publicly because of a concern that that it may not come to light. I mean, donald trump has repeatedly called this investigation a witch hunt. Brian butler, who until now was known only as trump employee number five, is now saying that he disagrees with that. He doesnt believe its a witchhunt and he was able to provide key testimony to the special counsel, jack smith here, including about key moments including one where walt nauta, who is trumps body man, turned codefendant, asked him to help load boxes onto a plane that was bound for trumps club in new jersey from palm beach as the fbi in trumps attorneys were meeting at that time at his Maralago Club and then what happened is walt left before me and he never goes directly to the plane. Hes either in the motorcade when he goes there with the boss, which the former president and i remember telling him he left the club with i didnt know what he had in his vehicle, but he waited for me at a nearby business and i told him i would tell him when i was leaving maralago so i left maralago. I texted him, hey, im on my way. He followed me. He pulled out and got behind me. We got to the airport. I ended up loading all the luggage i had and he had a bunch of boxes you noticed that he had thought they were the boxes that were in the indictment, the white bankers boxes. Thats what i remember loading. And did you have any time any idea at the time that there was potentially Us National Security secrets in those boxes . No clue. No i had no clue. I mean, we were just taking them out of the escalate piling them up. I remember they were all stacked on top of each other and then were lifting them up to the pilots and anderson, one key point on this, kaitlan, poland, and i have been reporting on this story for months, if not over a year now. And when it comes to those documents that were taken to new jersey, that is something that was we were pursuing investigators were pursuing it. Its still not clear to this day where those boxes that went to new jersey ended up . Of course we know a lot of them were taken from maralago during that search that happened in august of 2022. But the ones that went to new jersey, its still unclear where exactly they went and why did butler decided to get his own attorney rather than using one of the trumps attorneys thats a key difference because you can see basically the divergent paths that a lot of these witnesses are taking when it comes to who is paying for their attorneys for brian butler, it was important for him to pay for his own attorney here, even though he was offered a trump world attorney, he had that offer made to him and after he got a subpoena to appear before the grand jury what does he noted, he has done for a significant amount of time, provided a lot of testimony to them. He got this voicemail that is from an attorney who was in trump world who was representing several of the witnesses here and trump himself, john rally, who loved this voicemail on brians phone . Hey, brian, good morning. My name is john rally on one of the lawyers representing president trump. Its my understanding that you got a Grand Jury Subpoena would you please give me a call at your first opportunities . I should note he did not answer that call. He did not return them voicemail. He instead pass it on to his attorney, but he said he did feel pressure from one of the other codefendants here, carlos de oliviera, to get an attorney from trump world, kaitlan, stay with us. I wanna bring in senior legal analyst, elie honig, and also Carrie CorderoCarrie Cordero. Elie, how significant again is a witness like this for the prosecution, you think, you know, in any case as a prosecutor, anderson you always want a tour guide the, snippets, the kaitlan just played as you get a lot of insight into how things work, who reported to who, and also one of the big mysteries in this case as kaitlan said, how did these documents make their way from Florida Up To new jersey . So the other thing that i notice about this witness, and its in the writeup that Kaitlan Collins and Katelyn Polantz did, is this winter this is not eager to get trump. Theres a moment when he tells them Something Like, i realized as the fbi was questioning me that my information was going to be used against trump and i didnt like that, but i felt important to tell the truth and so as a prosecutor, i think thats a really important indicator of credibility and kerry, would prosecutors likely have some sort of a deal in place with butler, this well, he hasnt been charged, so i think his fact theres a couple of things. So first, the facts are that are relayed in the interview that kaitlan has done, doesnt sound like he knowingly was a participant in the unauthorized mishandling of classified information. So it doesnt necessarily sound like he knew exactly what was going on, but he knew somethings sort of squirrely was going on. So im not sure that there is evidence that the Justice Department has again, just based on this interview so far, that would indicate he could be charged it also sounds as if he has been as forthcoming as possible. And so based on what he has seen and his observations about the actions of others, he does seem like he would be a compelling witness, but im not sure based on what ive heard so far, that he necessarily would have had his own Criminal Culpability Kaitlan hes not saying that he saw what was in the boxes. He is saying just those were the boxes that were later seen that had been seen in photographs that kind of boxes that weve all seen in those photographs. Can you just explain again the timeline of all of this . So as hes going to the airport with the box, theyre taking the boxes to new jersey. Is that really the moment that the fbi is at maralago or is that the de the fbi is going to maralago to try to track these things down . Brian butler described it as kind of a puzzle where he was just able to put the pieces together later on. And also the indictment really helped to be able to see what was really happening. And these two days in june of 2022 were so critical because on june 2 was when trumps attorney went into the storage room in the basement of maralago went through the door occupants looked for what was classified documents he believed, then took them upstairs, put them in a Redweld Folder to give them to the fbi. The fbi agents show up at maralago on june 3, the next day. And is brian butler noted trump was still there, which was a bit unusual. He typically would leave to go to new jersey to his club earlier than that, but he was still there that day . Hey and what brian remember seeing is trumps attorney evan corcoran. Hes very tall, hes got the silver hair. He remember seeing that he didnt know who the other people were in or sin, but he now realizes they were fbi agents and they were there on june 3. We do know that because that was when they handed over those 30 or so classified documents. They handed out over a form that said, i attest that this was a diligent search and the best of our ability, everything that was here, of course, that was not true. Anderson and the attorney, they say didnt know that at the time, but that was months before the fbi showed up and found hundreds of classified documents still there, but its a key part of this because it was that day before when trumps attorney went into that storage room to look that walt nauta, who is now a codefendant here and Carlos De Oliveira had moved documents into Trumps Office 30 boxes or 60 boxes, and then move 30 back. And so there were these key moments happening that this trump employee five didnt realize at the time and can only fully appreciate now that he looks back, elie, how do you think the defense will try to crossexamine a witness like and because again, he took his own testimony, did not look inside the boxes. Yeah. I think therell be aggressive for sharing crossexamination. I think this is going to be a pivotal witness. Youre right. I think theyre going to do a couple of things. First of all, theyre going to point out gaps in his knowledge. Ill say to him you didnt open those boxes. Boxes look alike. How do you know this box was the exact box in the indictment, Donald Trumps team. I assure you well say most or all of your information. It sounds like that he got didnt come from donald trump. It came from walt nauta. It came from mr. De oliveira. And so theyll say its secondhand, its not as compelling against donald trump, but as carrie said, it appears this person, mr. Butler not have any sort of criminal liability. Doj did not make him plead guilty to a charge. What he probably has as either a nonprosecution agreement, which sort of is what it sounds like or immunity which is a formal agreement where they say, youre going to testify in your words, wont be used to prosecute you. And so i think theres another line of crossexamination that youre just telling prosecutors what they want to hear to save your own, hide. All right. Elie carrie, katelyn, thanks very much in kept kaitlans Catch Kaitlan full interview with former trump employee brian butler at the top of the next hour on her program, the source right here on cnn 09 00 p. M. Now, the criminal trial thats scheduled to begin just two weeks from today. Thats when Jury Selection is set to start a manhattan district attorney, alvin braggs case. Again since the former president alleging he falsified Business Records tied to the 2016 hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels in emotion made public today. His attorneys asked the judge to delay the trial until the Supreme Court rules and whether hes covered by president ial immunity in the january 6 case, cnns Jessica Schneider joins us now with more on that. So is this Justice Delay Tactic . Yet, Delay Anderson is probably likely part of the strategy trumps lawyers have been very good about dredging up every possible legal issue filing motions to delay any number of cases. Now in this particular instance, what theyre doing is theyre pointing to the fact that the Manhattan Das Office actually wants to bring into evidence at the trial some of the public statements and twitter post that trump made in 2018 while he was president about Stormy Daniels and trumps payments to Michael Cohen and trumps lawyers are saying that some of those statements should be excluded from evidence because trump, they argue was acting in his official capacity as president. And thats the part that goes to the Supreme Court. What theyll be weighing on april 20 fifth whether a former president can be immune from criminal prosecution for things that might constitute official acts. Now, whether tweeting about Stormy Daniels or michael going can actually be deemed an official act. Its questionable, but basically what trumps lawyers are saying is all of these questions about official acts and president ial immunity, they argue they need to be determined by the Supreme Court first before they move forward in this hush money okay. So thats their argument. And whats the reaction from the judge . The judge has a few things to say. First off, hes questioning why the Trump Legal Team waited so long to file this motion to delay the trial. Jury selection is slated to start in two weeks. And actually the deadline for any motions was february 22, despite all that, the judge here, hes asking for the das office to respond to this request to delay by wednesday, and hes doing another thing, anderson, the judge is also sending really somewhat of a stern warning for moving forward. Hes saying that trumps team and the das prosecutors must now seek permission if theyre going to file any new motions ahead of Jury Selection. And i read that as really indicating that the new york judge wants to keep this case moving, and he might not go grant those efforts to delay in this trial might go forward on march 25th, anderson, Jessica Schneider, thanks very much coming up next borderline dishonesty. How senator katie britt misrepresented a womans story of being sex trafficked to score political points in her state of the Union Response. And why her explanation now, what she did it doesnt make sense. Were keeping them honest also, with all the concerns about princess kate medical condition after surgery, fun disclosed abdominal issues you can now add a new complication that doctors family photo, and the royal fiasco surrounding it Anderson Cooper 360. He is brought to you by teba visit. Sounds like td. Com dan made progress with his Mental Health, but his medication caused unintentional movements in his face, hands, and feet called Tardive Dyskinesia or td so his dr. 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