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Anderson cooper, 360 weeknight today may 10, right now on cnn this morning, Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial and then its motion for a mistrial. Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu announcing israel will stand alone if President Biden decides to halt Weapons Shipments. And robert f. Kennedy jr. Shocking his own running mate with his comments on Abortion Rights all right. 6 00 a. M. Here in washington live. Look at the white house on this friday morning. Good morning. Good morning, everyone. Happy friday. We made it im casey has this wonderful to have you with us. Donald trumps criminal Hush Money Trial on track to resume in just a few hours. Back on the stand this morning. Former Trump White House assistant madeleine westerhout. Shes testifying about how checks for Michael Cohen were sent to the white house for trump to sign on thursday. Judge merchan rejected a request by trump to have his gag order amended. He also denied a motion for a mistrial. The former president s lawyers one of the case to be tossed, claiming Stormy Daniels keeps changing her story while The Adult Film Star was on the stand, trumps lawyers went on the attack against her quote, you have a lot of experience making phony stories about sex appear real, write the attorneys asked daniels replied, wow, thats not how i would put it. The sex in the films. Its very much real, just like what happened to me in that room the defense determined to undermine daniels credibility and this exchange quote, you have acted and had sex in over 200 porn movies right . There are naked men and naked women having sex, including yourself in those movies, right . But according to use seeing a man sitting on a bad and a tshirt and boxer shorts was so upsetting you got lightheaded daniels replied, yes. When you are not expecting a man twice your age to be in their underwear, it is a moment that daniels described in greater detail in a 2018 interview with cbs i excused myself and i went to the restroom i was in there for a little bit and came out and he was sitting on the edge of the bad when i walked out perched and when you saw that, what went through your mind i realized exactly what id gotten myself into. I was like here we go here we go. Lets bring in skin his senior political analyst, mark preston, cnn legal analyst Elliot Williams, meghan hayes, former special assistant to President Biden and mike deb, key, former White House Communications director under president trump. Mike, you are already sighing it is quite raid awake get to the more than we are mornings coffee when you got stormy, daniels on the stand what do you think the attorneys for trump accomplished yesterday and what they did with Stormy Daniels well, look, i again, i think there are really two juries that the Trump Defense team and the Trump Campaign are concerned about yesterday was all about the Campaign Team i think the defense was listening to their client probably tuesday night was not happy with the way the testimony went, even though most legal analysts that i heard said they did a very good job with that testimony and yesterday was about discrediting her credibility and for the president to use that and rallies and other communication said he does outside the courtroom. Yeah so Stormy Daniels and im gonna im gonna give this to the side of the table of market and qaly, it can pick y, which one of you would like to respond to this. But Stormy Daniels a couple of things here. So the New York Times noted i was fascinated to read this, this morning that when she was in court on tuesday, she wore what seemed to be a very subdued dressed. Right. So they write quote with her messy hair and subdued lack of calculation. However, the jumpsuit she was wearing on day one was the same jumpsuit she wore in her cameo in a 2021 film, bad president. A satire in which Donald Trumps sells his soul to the devil to win the 2016 election given that the actual mr. Trump was sitting across the courtroom from her . That is quite a subtext. Okay. So thats tuesday, follow up last night, she writes on twitter, quote, real men respond to testimony by being sworn in and taking the stand in court oh, wait never mind. Of course suggesting, you know, trump doesnt seem to want to say that he wont testify even though clearly it would be a bad plan from a legal perspective, according to most of our legal experts, right . Bad plan. It was bad. I dont like stuff like that. Act on im sorry. I know. This isnt a question down. Youre welcome, but no no matter what you think of donald trump as a former president , as a defendant. And, you know, whether his behavior was a moral objectionable. You didnt vote for him, whatever else he is a defendant in the criminal system in the United States, he has a right not to testify, and this whole game of y is any testifying he should stand up and testify even from another witness. Theres just no place for that now, we can talk okay. All de about the alleged conduct. And frankly, all kinds of other conduct. Hes allegedly engaged in outside of this. But i thats just me, sorry, to be the lawyer with the garden. Thats why youre here ive never liked your lovely party never liked it when often juries when after you argue they will raise, widen the defendant testify. If if my life were on the line, i would have testified do and thats a very human impulse from people to think that you want to defend yourself. But theres just no place for it and it muddies what our criminal Justice System is all about. Yeah. I mean, mark, it does seem as though president trump, the candidate for president was as micro sang on display here, pushing his team to do this again, Stormy Daniels, and thats the same thing that would be driving. Its driving how hes talking about the testimony. Right. How it plays politically. Yeah. I think mikes absolutely right. I mean, were seeing whats happening in the court room right now and were paying a lot attention to these sort of details. In the court of law. I dont think the details are going to matter and perhaps could backfire. What have you court of Public Opinion though. I mean, were talking about trying to i assume now that there are women in these five or six days that were looking at now, whether its wisconsin or michigan or pennsylvania or nevada, arizona one, georgia who perhaps would have thought about voting for president trump, but then they, see this and not to be very sorted. But this is pretty sorted. Its all very sorted. I would assume if i cheated on my wife, that would be wyoming. Shed kill me, but that would be one would hope south probably kill me twice heres, another thing though to i believe to cheat on your wife and then have it publicly come out that you didnt use protection. And i think that that is not im telling you though that is something that i think well call it home youre laughing, meghan, but its true. I think that that is something that theres a trust level, theres the moralistic level. Issue, that people wrestle with as im wrestling league that right now and tv i am to the record. To your point about these five or six states that theyre trying to play. Two, those are the nikki haley voters that are these moderate women, suburban cities that are going to vote, who are they going to vote for their, the undecided. And these are the things that are going to come up. And these are the ads that the super packs and other people people are gonna put forward comes september and october to continue to remind these women of these details and also on this tweet that she put out, i think shes trying to bait trump to respond to get more of reaction, to continue to fuel the fire of his gag order, et cetera. She was very pulled together on the stand yesterday. She held her own. Youre probably right about at her tweet. The other point though, i would make is a lot of this information about the president or the way americans feel about the president is already baked in. So im not sure that yesterday really did any extensive damage for him beyond with those suburban voters. I think they already had some of those slots, but for him, but if thats true, then those nikki haley voters that are continuing to vote for her in the primaries are then that is invertible. Joe biden provided. And so its kind of where did they were are our Brain Worm Friend . Yeah, i dont Brain Worm Friend. Okay. We are talking about later on in the show, coming up next here at Donald Trumps slamming President Biden for his stance on israel plus devastating Tornado Damage in alabama. Three more states bracing for Severe Weather today and one very lucky lucky, good. Oklahoma city fan leaving last nights game with 20,000. Its one of the five things you have to see this morning. Im gonna go with cnn this morning. Morning. Brought to you by first sandra, for more information, visit for sen rad. 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Obviously this is something we actually have heard from trump before in talking about jewish democrats i do think its worth noting that dumb trump said there were good people on both fine people on both sides in charlottesville when you had neonazis marching resulted in a death of a woman. But that said, we have seen very ugly antisemitism raise a ted in the context of protests on campuses that are coming from the left. And that is something that we are now grappling with as a country. Yeah in it happened so quickly, write these protests popped up and then all of a sudden coming in right behind her, perhaps even fuel and good, quite frankly was this inked antisemitic . Wave that were seeing go across the country. But i also think that what were seeing in israel, right now in the United States and with everything else, it seems like in this country is that we are so divided like democrats right now are divided on this issue angrily Republicans By Enlarge for together on this issue. But theyre not necessarily in power so that they dont have to necessarily take the hits for whats going on with our foreign policy. But i do think that its something that if we dont stop it right now, if we allow it to fester, this is going to cause a deeper problem down the road so the Biden Campaign responded this way. They said quote like a cuckoo clock of hate, he is popping up every month with the same patronizing antisemitic stick and reminding Jewish Voters that he has no respect for us. Meghan yeah, i mean, its clear that hes just trying to divide divide more people, and create more chaos. And this is what gets people talking right . So now were covering thats more talking about it, which also does fuels more people to continue all of their different hate out there. And its just, its really unfortunate. Its not going to solve the problem. This is a issue in a war thats been going on for long for many, many years. So its like why why do we think that he is going to solve this problem . Its just crazy. Well, and Elliot Williams trump is also has tried to use whats going on College Campuses to give himself a pass on what happened in charlottesville. Watch what trump said recently charlottesville is like a peanut compared to the riots and antiisrael protests that are happening all over our country, right now. Its a disaster. Theres never been a time like it in the United States of america and its crooked fault. He doesnt have a clue. He doesnt know where he is. He doesnt know hes alive. So charlottesville is like a peanut compared to the riots. He says, again, lets just underscore it. Neonazis marching its just hard to know where, where hes going with this. It was interesting that the statement that wed shown a moment before, use the word patronising because its sort of almost treating Jewish Voters like a ponds of sorts and trained Jewish Voters as a Monolithic Block and so on. So there was just a lot of patronising tone there and i think its generally not in anyones interest to say the word charlottesville without saying the word and White Supremacists are and hatred and so on and so whatever hes doing there and whos hearing it and intrigued by this sort of beyond me. Well, i from using charlottesville, i have no its a grabbag of grievances. It seems sometimes to win the president s speaking, i would not have brought Up Charlottesville on the other hand what were seeing on campuses across the country, what ive really been paying attention to is when theyve been making these arrest, how many of the protesters are students and how many of the protesters are professional protesters who have infiltrated these campuses. So there is Something Else going on here thats beyond just a uprising of concerned 20 he one 22yearolds or 18yearolds. And so theres something to be said about that on the on the outreach to Jewish Voters that has been a bot of voters that has moved, that has voted for the democrats for decades now, there is a division here visavis israel. And i think its our politics for the president to reach out to those individuals. I dont i dont find a patronising i find it if identified an issue of importance and the president and the Democratic Party seemed to be at odds with each other. Well, i think we can say that reaching out to Jewish Voters is one thing. Saying that that criticizing them for supporting democrats is called another is kinda another thing. All right, ahead here, the fallout from President Bidens decision to hold back some weapons from israel plus alabama tornup by tornadoes. And three more states bracing for severe storms right now, plus police clashing with Student Protesters at mit. Thats one of the five things you have to see this morning how wed really happen with jesse l. 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Optimum all right. 23 minutes past the hour, five things you have to see this morning, police clashing with propalestinian demonstrators on the mit campus campus outside boston. Nine arrests were made the students are calling on the school to divest from israel in sweden, thousands gathering the protest, israels inclusion in the eurovision song contest. Among them, climate activist greta thunberg. Protests are expected to extend it to the weekend with the eurovision finals being held on saturday a horse stranded on a roof by floodwaters and Southern Brazil rescued by members of the military yesterday, the horse which was trapped on the roof for four days, is one of 2000 animals that have been saved since the flooding began. And sanders from mccord 20,000 richer. Hes buying dinner tonight that is matt sanders collecting a cool 20 k for sinking. 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There is a threat of more tornadoes this time we have an enhanced risk which includes portions of northern florida. Look at that, including jacksonville flight. Risk including savannah, georgia with the threat extending into the carolinas as well. Check this out 340 tornado reports since april 25th, you do the math. Thats 15 days. Heres the ongoing threat this morning, we have a severe Thunderstorm Watch until 11 00 a. M. However, there are a few embedded the radar indicated Tornado Warnings were monitoring. One just west of tallahassee. So well keep a very close eye on this again, radar indicated so the potential there for a Brief Spin Up is definitely there across the northeast. Youve got a very soggy start to early weekend. Good news is that should clear out quite nicely by the weekend and then what everybody has been waiting for this large Geomagnetic Storm that will create a spectacular aurora borealis, or Northern Lights display across much of Northern America and north america. 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And this is cnn israels Prime Minister dismissing President Bidens warning to withhold some weapons if israel escalates its operation in rafah, Benjamin Netanyahu says that if israel has to stand alone, they will ive known joe biden for many years old, 40 years, and more we often had our agreements, but weve had our disagreements. Weve been able to overcome them. I hope we can overcome them now. But we will do what we have to do to protect our country. And that means means to protect our future. And that means we will defeat hamas, including in rafah. We have no other choice so in an exclusive interview with cnn earlier this week, biden had acknowledged that some american weapons have killed civilians in gaza but he reiterated the us is not walking away from israels security. Cnn senior White House Correspondent Kayla Tausche joins us now, live from the white house to break down her reporting on what went into vibes decision. Kayla, good morning. Its always wonderful. Good morning to see you. What what went into the president s decision to kind of lay this out in this interview because there has been a significant amount of fallout. This is not been a kneejerk decision for the president and his top aides, casey, this was essentially three months in the making with President Biden and his National Security team discussing the potential Foreign Invasion of rafah with Prime Minister netanyahu and his counterparts for the last three months with a us urging alternatives to go after hamas leadership that would not involve mass civilian casualties. The us warning israel privately that us thats weapons would simply not be a part of any Military Campaign that would amount to a fullscale invasion lead to mass casualties. And would essentially attack this densely populated city in Southern Gaza that has seen 1 million Palestinian Justinian seek refuge and has been a critical conduit for humanitarian aid. I should say, but it was when the us really didnt have clarity on how netanyahu plan to recede and then when the white house saw that the Israeli Defense forces were establishing a presence around rafah, a Choking Off Entry Points that they said, you know what, these warnings behind the scenes are not doing enough and thats when President Biden and his team decided to go public in that interview with erin burnett earlier this week with those warnings that he had delivered privately to netanyahu and his war cabinet for so many months in hours of calls, Virtual Meetings and some inperson meetings to be sure, yesterday, nsc Spokesman John Kirby told reporters this. He said, i can assure you that direct and forthright nature with which he expressed himself in his concerns in that interview with erin burnett is consistent with how he has expressed himself to Prime Minister netanyahu and two israeli officials but casey, This Public Declaration comes ahead of a critical deadline for the us to essentially certify whether israel has violated or not the International Laws that allow it to continue receiving some of this military aid that deadline was wednesday of this week. Im told that that report is still expected to come in the next few days. Meanwhile, cnn contributor and axios reporter Barak Ravid Reporting that secretary of state, Antony Blinken in that report will say that israel remains in compliance with those laws and shall continue can you to qualify to receive military aid from the us . Now, of course that might make some republicans placated who have criticized biden this week after those comments saying that israel is alongside standing ally, none of that age should be conditioned, but Progressives Casey has been urging the president for several weeks to use that report and specifically the billions of dollars in new military aid that congress greenlight just a few weeks ago as leverage over netanyahu, the president hasnt appear to be willing to to do that just yet, but well see what the content of their report shows. Casey yeah, some really difficult dynamics for the president there, especially with his democratic allies in the senate, Kayla Tausche, always wonderful to have you on the show. Kopan comeback soon. Thank you all right, are panels here. And just as a reminder, this is what biden said on cnn this week, on this i made it clear that if they go into rafah, they havent gone in rafah yet. If they go into rafah im not supplying the weapons that have been used historically to deal with rafah. Ive made it clear to bibi and the war cabinet theyre not going to get our support if in fact they go on these Population Centers were not walking away from israels security, walking away from israels ability to wage war in those areas so megan hayes kind of take us in your view, like behind the scenes at the white house here where you worked for so much time. This clearly was a difficult decision for the president to come to. But the politics are what they are. Its still a major deal for him to do this in public dimension. Netanyahu yeah, i think hes probably well, he also thinking, okay, so we give them these bombs and they go into rafah. How does that actually accomplish a ceasefire . The return of the hostages, and how is that working towards a twostate solution and ultimately piece here, that is the ultimate goal. How is killing all these people going to reach that . So how do we make sure that israel can do to eradicate hamas . And a more precise bass way than killing, going into these major Population Centers fully believed that they have been discussing for months that they were going to stop shipment of these weapons. And i fully believe that they calculated the leak of the stoppage of these weapons. What i dont think the white house and i think there may be spinning a little bit now was expecting was the president to say that these bombs Kill Civilians mean he took a very logical we are going to, were going to put some pressure on israel and rafah he took a very logical step there and he turned it into something that now were all debating about american bombs killing civilians. He gave ammunition to continue the metaphor to those in the Democratic Party who are propalestinian, prohamas that want to see this us intervention. And i dont, i dont believe that that was something the white house calculate me a question for you and more curious than anything else, what would have been put on your democratic adviser and im serious though, what a wondering oh, nice, nice what would have been the way in light of the images coming out of gaza now, right what would have been the way for the president to speak about munitions going to get there. First two, i, just undeniable. No, no, but i think if he stopped at the first two they talked about the weapons. He talked about the stoppage of the weapons that we there we are putting a serious pause. But he didnt need to take that next step to say american weapons have been used by israel to Kill Civilians in our, in our intelligence, i think he needed to take that next step and i dont know really why he did it other than to appease that faction of the democrats. I think he was just trying to make the point our commitment to israel is ironclad. I mean, we had, we had Fighter Pilots up in the air shooting down missiles from iran like we have not, were not leaving israel left behind and i think that that was his point there. Well, the jordanians also had 100 jets, i down, but he from members of congress and other people are saying that weve left israel and were just leaving them to defend themselves. That is 100 false. The only reason i asked that question is maybe even since vietnam have we seen as a country this many images of the toll of war on, sort of on a daily basis. And im just curious as do more than literally just a curiosity. What would be given what people see every day set aside the College Protesters and all of that. But what the images are, how do politicians talk about it . So i dont know mark look i just go back what we talked about earlier. We are incredibly divided right now in this country on so many issues and this is one of them in joe biden felt pressure that he had to come out and say, some of our weapons have killed civilians. And by the way who didnt already know that. We all knew it, but theres a very big difference between the between knowledge and the white it has acknowledged i dont want to see very rare thing. Yeah, i dont i dont just do in the context of Foreign Relations for sure. Yes one you mentioned the protests, which is of course a big part of why the president is in the position that hes in, and why he was pressed the way he was i our erin burnett, the israeli Prime Minister, also weighed in on the protests in an interview with dr. Phil overnight, watch this what is happening on american campuses and american cities. Youve got, first of all, you have a lot of ignorant people there im sorry to say whove sense of history at best goes back to breakfast, not even that sense of history goes back to breakfast, not even that we have a lot of ignorant people. I mean, who is he trying to reach out to is well, you know, its just i mean clearly there is a bigger problem at hand between israel and the United States when it comes to netanyahu in joe biden actually being able to Work Together and getting something done well. So The New Republic put it this way lets acknowledge that The New Republic is coming at this from a critical perspective. Theyre criticizing Benjamin Netanyahu, but they do write, quote, there is nothing new or unexpected about Benjamin Netanyahus arrogance when president bill clinton first met him at the white house in 1996, mirror weeks after netanyahu first took office as israels Prime Minister, he reportedly seeds to aids, quote, who the f does he think he is . Whos the effing superpower here elliott, i mean, this guy is but hes been on the International Stage for this long. And this is again, bill clinton, Benjamin Netanyahus, this is decades and decades ago. Yeah the decades point is an important one way you almost forget how long as almost like the scene and Dances With Wolves where first name the space then came the french. He has survived all of these these american leaders and its really fast. Take a drink for the first Dances With Wolves said, conchae this morning all right, coming up next here. Why President Biden may not appear on the ohio ballot in time for the november election. Plus Michael Smerconish is here is dry days with his take on Donald Trumps Hush Money Trial. This was jimmy fallon on that accord. Experts have trump goes to jail for violating his gag order. 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The drugs include ozempic, wegovy, mounjaro, and zepbound and right now, President Biden is not on the November Ballot in ohio. Its because he wont officially be nominated until after the states filing deadline. Lawmakers had until yesterday to pass a new law to fix the issue but the effort failed and independent president ial candidate robert f. Kennedy jr. In a recent podcast interview, apparently changed his stance on abortion, rfk now saying the government should not play any role in determining Abortion Access after previously saying he would be supportive of some bands states to determine if and when a woman can have an abortion. No, i wouldnt leave it to the states. Right. I would say completely its up to you should leave it to the woman. We shouldnt have government involved even if its full term even if its full term okay. All right. Lets turn back now to this story. Todays crossexamination was described as heated and intense, which coincidentally are the only two settings on trumps tanning beds. He didnt im going to go for five minutes intense, please. All right. After two days of yes, he did. And intense testimony from Stormy Daniels. Were now finding out that the other star witness and trumps new york Hush Money Trial. Trumps former fixer, Michael Cohen says that he expects to testify next week. Here was cohen yesterday talking about it im kinda looking forward to it because again, can be finished with something unless you started. Right. Its kinda like an entrepreneurial mindset. You cant be in an unless you willing to get any. And so there we go sooner or this thing starts. The sooner this thing finishes. And that way i can yeah, this too shall pass choking me now is Michael Smerconish. She is the host of Cnn Smerconish also cnn political commentator and our regular friday guess michael, wonderful. See you. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Good morning, casey. So i honestly have been dying to know what you have thought of how this has all played out over the course of the last few days with Stormy Daniels on the stand and the details that have been brought in here, including the Trump Lawyers decision to put her on crossexamination in a way that drag that out even more. So my belief is that the prosecution is doing a fine job. Theyve absolutely convinced me that there was sex and i accept her version. I believe that he was wearing the silk pjs and that he was not wearing Something Else that was significant. I also believe that he paid her so that the story would go away. Im less certain, casey, that theyre establishing what they need relative to his motive. I mean, the evidence from my standpoint and i it i wish we had cameras in that courtroom, but its pretty thin as to whether the campaign was a substantial factor in his decision to make that payment as compared to protecting in his family, Michael Cohen may be able to shed some light in that regard. I mean, i know theyre going to be fireworks. Michael cohen is a street fighter. Ive been on his podcast on a number of occasions. He sort of a quintessential new yorker. And i mean that with affinity but if this is the reaction to the Stormy Daniels testimony, buckled club for next week, because if thats when he testifies and i dont know what else they have except Michael Cohen. I think its going to be very, very significant, but lets not lose ourselves in the salacious, lets stay focus on whether they are ticking all the boxes that they need to meet the motive burden yeah. I mean, what do you think that they need to do, michael to convince the jury that it was electionrelated because i will say we are so far removed in time. Oh, my god, from when this happened that i do see how its possible to confuse it. But when you are having covered these president ial campaigns, it is not possible to overstate that in the weeks. And these are the very weeks leading up to the president ial election. If you are a candidate for president , the only thing you are thinking about and doing is trying to win. These campaigns are all consuming for these people who are running them idea that it would be disconnected from that is frankly implausible to me as a campaign reporter. But that said the jury has to be taken back to that period of time and im not totally convinced theyve been theyve been back there yet and what youve just laid out i think is a very plausible prosecution narrative like you think it was a coincidence that it happened in the 11th hour of the campaign, the payment gotten made as the clock was about to strike 12. The other response though, is to say the pushback on that is to say, well thats when she came forward because the iron was hot after but the access hollywood tape, in other words, it it really wasnt the timeline really wasnt established so much by the election as it was the reemergence by Stormy Daniels is Something Else that i want to say. Ive heard so many observers, pundits on cnn and elsewhere saying that this was donald trump is an incorrigible client and that yesterday, perhaps they went on to live with the crossexamination and that was at his behest. No doubt. And i believe that but i think theres more to it and that is that trump is playing to an audience beyond those 12 jurors thus far, none of this is hurt him, and it looks increasingly likely because of what happened with judge Aileen Cannon and then because were waiting on the Supreme Court relative to the january 6 case, it looks and the the georgia Fulton County case is still slogging along because of the relationship between nathan wade and fani willis, it looks like this is the only one and trump i think is mindful of that. Rick scott, the audio that you played which is really interesting, is further proof of what im saying that hes trying to convince the american electorate that this is all political. It is about the sex as tawdry as it is, and its very little about a Campaign Finance violation yeah, its interesting that you raised that and lets just play a little bit of it because i have my sort of Bigger Picture question is the degree to which this is breaking through with americans. But this was john stuart last night on Media Coverage saturation coverage, shall we say of this trial . It has been another big week of Water Wall Non stop to coverage, Ubiquitous Coverage is numbing fading into televised wallpaper with insight that only occasionally crackles through, such as, he greeted her at his hotel room and satin or silk pajamas which smooth materials. But satin our thanks to the daily show producers for being cnn this morning, viewers michael is it breaking through . Is like, is this something americans are actually talking about focusing on, or is it all just noise in an incredibly noisy political environment . I assure you to the extent there are still Water Coolers and offices and people still go to offices. This is what people are talking about. I hear the same criticism that you just heard from john stewart. Ill get Telephone Calls on the radio today. Why are you talking about this . Again . How could i not be talking about this . Its got all the elements and its a former president and hes the Republican Standard Baer is it breaking through . I think people are interested, whether theyre having their minds changed because of this trial, i seriously doubt. I dont think its moving the needle at all in that regard, people are seeing in it what they want to see in it. All right. Michael smerconish, always grateful to have you on fridays you too. Thank you for being here and to all of you watching, make sure to watch his show tomorrow morning on cnn at 9 00 a. M. All right. Panels back. Im interested to know what you guys think about the breaking through changing minds, what this all, whether this all matters, how it maps letters, mark, quickly, i think it matters. I think it only matters in a few states. I think we talk about the selection in National Terms because its interesting and what have you, but the reality is its going to come down to a very small group of people i think in this case that there could be some minds changed in some of these color communities around these cities and you know, states such as pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. Yeah. I mean, no, id say id agree with michael that prosecutors have set up a quote, very plausible narrative, but very plausible narratives arent necessarily whats gonna get you convicted and sent off to jail. Now the question is whether its succeeding with voters. Thats a totally everything youre absolutely correct. Hes hes not playing to the jury at this point. Hes playing that wisconsin and pennsylvania. Well, but him look, the reality might be that the only thing that really changes the game as a conviction, right . Or or an acquittal by a group of manhattan liberals i mean, thats going to resonate across the country if they, if, if donald trump cant even be convicted by manhattan nights what, what does that say about all these other cases . It it feeds into the argument that all of these cases are political and in the one venue that they should be able to get donald trump, they cant. The one that everythings want answer in response to that, i think its far more likely that the jury hangs than acquits him because an acquittal would have to be unanimous. Im not sure theres a difference there in peoples minds politically absolutely not. I just made just need to be careful in how we talk about it. Itll probably be who knows, but im just hold on. My lawyerly question. How will we understand the jury in case like easley . If its an acquittal, its unanimous if its a hung jury, youll know that some jurors would not change their, you know, how many they might the judge may pull the jury, but i dont know what what the rules for this court would be. Okay. But you will know that at least one juror decided that they could not vote. And so its just split. The goal is unanimity either for conviction or an acquittal like for not guilty verdict, its technically a mistrial. If somebody hangs, but well see right so how often does that happen . Typically hangs case you actually in highprofile case, i think i think certainly it can happen. I believe john edwards, his case ended in a hung jury, i believe. And again, forgive me if i got it incorrect but it certainly can happen and its really just a question of how well did the folks picking the jury read the folks . That they picked up front and all the stuff about the judge urging them to find unanimity sometimes just doesnt work either. Gerrys hang on me before. As we wrap up here at meghan, i mean, hows the Biden Campaign looking at this . Because they are going to have to react one way or the other once we get a verdict in this case, i think that this goes to their continued method of the contrast but its showing, i think all these details coming out. Its just drawing a contrast between him and President Biden and i do think that is whats going to change some of these mines in these five or six states as we talked about earlier. So its like whether or not we convict or not convict him. I think that these details being out there will change some of these these mines of these undecided voters. What do you think . I think the opinions baked done at this point . I think this is the interesting thing to me. We are watching a president ial campaign being run out of a courtroom for one candidate. And i wanted to say out of a bunker similar to the way biden ran in 2020, hes going to set event, set event. And then suppose causally always has another meeting to go to. So we can take questions from the media. So youve got bunker biden, and courtroom don to running in a president ial campaign. I dont think weve ever seen anything like this. You literally just an interview two weeks ago. Here we are what he did speak with erin burnett wonder, yeah, he did. He did thank you all good. All right, so on this friday, i do want to leave you with this. Its the end of an era for an absolute classic. Love it or hate it. General motors announcing theyre going to end production of the chevy malibu. Perhaps youve driven one by november, the factory that builds this thing and its going to be reconfigured to make electric vehicles. The malibu was introduced back in the 19 and like lets be real, it was not really about glitz and glamour. It was about getting from point a to point b. Unfortunately, we dont have a video from the 1970s. This is the modern malibu. 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