Free the cargo ship that collapsed ball her yeah, im here in washington alive. Look at new york city on this Tuesday Morning where that push my trials had to get back underway just a few hours from now. Good morning, everyone. Im kasie hunt its wonderful to have you with us. This is the de, we think that Donald Trumps legal team has been preparing for the day they could get to crossexamine Michael Cohen and try to convince a jury that he simply cannot be believed trumps former lawyer and fixer returns to the stand this morning after testifying on monday about payments that were made to kill potential really damaging stories about trump. All he says at the direction of his former boss. In the final critical days before the 2016 election, his testimony designed to show just how close he was to trump involved in talks about the hush money at every turn the juror has got to hear this conversation between cohen and trump about payments made to Playboy Playmate playmate karen mcdougal. It was a conversation that cohen secretly recorded correct. So im im all over that and i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be listened what we have to pay yourself getting old. I got no chance. Cohen appeared, composed throughout his testimony monday in one key exchange with the prosecution, he talked about buying Stormy Daniels story and how doing so was all about trumps bid to win the white house. Cohen testifying this quote so during the negotiation to purchase and acquire the life rights, what he had said to me is what i want you to do is just push it out as long as you can just get past the election. Because if i win it has no relevance. I will be president. If i lose i dont even care and then there was this particularly jaw dropping moment, cohen telling the court that after the release of the Access Hollywood tape, trump didnt seem to care if millennia left him telling the jury that trump told him this quote dont worry, how long do you think ill be on the market for not long trump did not seem to like any of this at all. He spoke to the media afterward and he was angrier than we probably ever seen him during this trial. We paid a lawyer a Legal Expense. We believe expense is a legal experts. Its marked out in the book. Whoa Legal Expense is perfectly marked down perfectly marked down for stuff like that from trump before are at our panels here, former federal prosecutor Elliot Williams, molly balls, senior Political Correspondent at the Wall Street Journal Conservative columnist Scott Jennings and sarah matthews, former Deputy White House press secretary under president trump. Welcome. All well, yesterday was a fun one today, promises to be another one. I elliott what did you make, especially if this the question of what he thought about and how whether or not he cared about melania is actually a really central one to the prosecution, right . Because prosecution has to establish that there was a political motive perhaps beyond or or an addition to the personal one. Now, any reasonable person would want to such information of Extramarital Affairs wave from their spouse. But the question is, did this particular person also intend to keep this material away from voters and what you saw yesterday was so far the most direct evidence of that in the form of those conversations. And that recorded conversation between cohen and trump. Now, to be clear, it was the prosecution since evidence it was friendly questioning backandforth. He has not been crossexamined about it yet. Its purely his memory of a conversation and you are certainly not going to hear testimony from the other person who was there because donald trump will not quite frankly, should not testify. So right now its perfectly good evidence, but it can have poke holes poked in it. And as he said, with crossexaminations starting, i think thats when youll see it Scott Jennings this is a guy that hes the Presumptive Republican nominee for president its its reminding everyone kind of what we went through as a country when he was president of the United States and im just kinda currently, how do you feel about defending him with these allegations out there . Well, theres nothing new has happened here. I think what youre seeing, such a muted reaction from people is because its already priced in, its baked into his candidacy its baked into who he is, nothing that we know all of this. And i dont have to no republican really has to defend anyones personal behavior to make this standing up behind him. Well, but theyre not necessarily defending his personal behavior, but they would say things like this case, youd never been brought. This is a terrible court. This prosecutor is par as nick, whatever, and they would also say this i dont care about sex paperwork, but i do care about that. The president has driven as to an inflationary crisis and is going wobbly on our ally, israel. Youre going to see republicans all over the country, make that argument and i think whether he is convicted, whether the jury is on whether hes acquitted. I think this will move the needle for virtually no one you dont think if hes convicted, its not going to make a difference at all. I mean, there was a cnn poll that showed that 24 of trump backers said that if there is a conviction that they would reconsider their support, i will admit that doesnt mean that they are going to change their support, but they would reconsider. And i mean, on an election thats going to be on the margins and i think you would be worried get about every vote if you are someone who im trying to envision the voter who would go to the polls to, you know, i was going to vote for donald trump, but then i found out he got the paperwork wrong because he had sex with somebody and i dont know who that person is. I dont think that paperwork wrong thing is. I mean sarah thats what i mean. He would be convicted for. The perception is not going to be paperwork for the president being developed for them if its not a paperwork, i understand that you are technically correct. I just anyone consumes this. Its like probably this case is no one can explain what hes actually been convicted for. It was obvious that the case was brought so they could put people on the stand stand to try to they were paying, so they were paying her to keep quiet so that voters, particularly women, wouldnt think badly trump before the election, october, october of 2016, no one no one knew that donald trump had had sex with lots of women out there, some of them were not as well possibly. Lets say cohen testified if i saw this yesterday, right. He says of trump. Trump said this to me. This is a disaster. This is in the wake of the hollywood tape. This is a disaster, a total disaster. Women are going to hate me because this is really a disaster. Women will hate me and guys may think its cool, but its going to be a disaster for the campaign. And sarah, the thing thats him was his wife, Melania Trump. He or she was talking to Anderson Cooper he described it as, as locker room talk to you. I mean, you sort of alluded to that as well. Is that what it is two, you just locker room talk . Yeah. I i kind of two teenage boys actually, they should behave better, right it was 59 correct and sometimes i said i have two boys at home. I have my young son and i have my husband so but i know how some men talk and thats how i saw it, yes. And so that in october right before the election is what gives trump a lifeline with women. Sarah matthews so cohen testifies to this yesterday he was asked by the prosecutor, did you bring up at the time the topic of his wife melania, in one of those conversations with mr. Trump. And again, were talking about the Access Hollywood period as all the Stormy Daniels stuff is going down. Cohen says, i did. What, if anything, did he say to you about that . The prosecutor asks cohen, dont worry. He goes he goes how long do you think i will be on the market for it . Not long. Hoffinger. What did you understand that to mean . Cohen, he was not thinking about millennia. This was all about the campaign. Sarah, you have seen how this man interacts and private talks about his wife and women who is telling the truth here about whats really going on yeah. I mean, i think Stormy Daniels testimony also backed up what Michael Cohen is saying. She testified to the donald trump told her that him and melania didnt sleep in the same bed. And then now you have cohen. This saying it flies in the face of what trumps defenses that he was solely concerned with, the opinion of his wife and what i will say too, is that i think the biggest piece of evidence is that Melania Trump isnt here shes not going to be probably attending the trial. And i think that the jury is going to take notice of that. Now, look, she hasnt even supported him on the campaign trail. So i definitely would not really expect her to show up and be in the courtroom, especially when all of these kinds of salacious details are coming out. But i do think that the jury is going to take notice of that and i dont think that bears well for him then different than the stand by your man era of politics, molly, i guess well, thats the reason that that phrase exists, right . Because it is a powerful thing when a woman stands by her man despite these kinds of allegations, look, i think there on the one hand, i think that scotts right that a lot of people do regard this its old news, right . And we see you made it is literally old. It is. Let her stories really happened a long time ago. Trial has all those New York Times battleground polls yesterday, only 29 of voters. So that say that theyre closely following this trial. I think a lot of people have tuned it out for that reason saying, why are we hearing about this again . On the other hand, and you trump hasnt won an election since this came out and for a lot of the sort of cross pressured voters in this election, a lot of them, i think are your classic my demographic, the suburban women right this year independent centrist, maybe conservativeleaning suburban women who have always felt a little queasy about supporting trump. And this brings that links a lot of that backup reminds them of a lot of what they didnt like about those. Thats the main voting group that has moved toward the democrats in this day and age and cause this realignment thats the basis of their new coalitions. So if that goes wobbly for trump, it could be a problem all right. We have a lot more to talk about this morning coming up next. Gold bars, a luxury car in exchange for favors these are of course, some of the wild allegations as Jury Selection for senator bob menendez is Corruption Trial continues today. 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Download self to start today this before in the Step Fairclough Wipers on the line right now two now, the distractions goodness thats a serious. Still this guy and i welcome back. The trunk file, not the only trial that we are covering today as Jury Selection is going to continue today in the trial against new jersey senator bob menendez, democrat he is accused of taking bribes and acting as an agent for a foreign government. It is his Second Bribery and Corruption Trial in just seven years. But youve probably seen the things that make this one unique. You are seeing them again on your screen. These are the things that prosecutors say menendez received gold bars, cash, a luxury car, among other things, in exchange for favors. Menendez has pledged not guilty and said this to cnns Manu Raju On Capitol Hill last week thoughts about the trial as we head into next week, im looking forward to proving my innocence okay Elliot Williams you get to do a trials across the spectrum. Morning this how tight . Is this case against menendez . Because obviously the evidence is very i mean, the pictures of the evidence, the jacket thats got his name on it, and theres cat and envelopes of cash in the pockets. Its all very sort of made for television but what do they have on them for real . But let me give you a quick lesson on circumstantial evidence to establish that someone received a payment in gold for doing something unlawful. You can have a letter from the person or a confession from the person that says i received gold to do something illegal or you can search their computer and have the words, how much does a kilogram of gold bring me in money, right . And thats sort of what this case is. Theres plenty of compelling evidence showing some rather disgraceful conduct by Alleging Rafah disgraceful conduct by a us senator. And based on what weve seen here in this gets back when we were talking about in the last block, its from the prosecution. It hasnt been challenged yet, but whats on the page is certainly damning against the senator and thats why i think i believe half his colleagues in the Democratic Party in the senate have called for him to resign, and the other ones run away when the question is asked because of how problematic the charges are. Yeah. Well, and we can play one person who has called for him to resign it. Look, i think its also worth noting that this guy is the former chairman of the Senate Foreign relations committee, which makes taking bribes from foreign entities like that much more potentially problematic. But here was john fetterman. We should note im mostly grew up in pennsylvania theres a little bit of a rivalry between pennsylvania and new jersey, but either way, fetterman does not mince words when he talks about this watch did anyone wish midend is good luck for next week for that sleeves ball thats ball, i mean, Scott Jennings like the reality is this is something that does and there are a number of his democratic colleagues that have not called on him to step down this is something that does impact his ability to do his job as a senator . Yeah, it was a real felony. We can talk about i mean, this this is massively consequential very few people in the country are talking about it. And the political aspect that so Many Democrats refuse to deal with this corruption in their own party, by the way, i just have to say about fetterman, i was really hard on him during the campaign. Id now like, funny here means do not like chairman of republicans for fetterman, this guy is showing an amazing amount of moral clarity on several because using the day this israel, if more, democrats would follow him on some of these topics, theyd be better off. His numbers are way up in pennsylvania. I think its because of issues like this. Hes just saying sort of whats common sense and true about menendez here. But you cant really find any more clarity encouraged like that at the leadership of the Democratic Party, its kind of pathetic but serious. Got most senate, Senate Democrats have called for him to resign. I think its an important point. The best statement of all was Cory Booker Making The Point that, look, you have the right to your day in court. You have the right to defend yourself, but that doesnt mean youre entitled to be a senator. And i thank quite frankly this notion that being charged with a crime ought to be enough to turn people well round as to whether somebody ought to be elected to office but still, i think theres at least with respect to his colleagues, a fair amount of clarity as to the fact that the charges themselves are very damning. You probably shouldnt be a senator anymore. Yeah, booker said, stepping down is not an admission of guilt, but an acknowledgment that Holding Public office often demands tremendous sacrifices at great partnership. Were keeping his mouth shut i rather well, he had not but not giving a full armed embrace of them and i think thats a significant rid of that looney tunes santos out of the house. And this guy i dont know actuation get that to happen. I dont know if George Santos is that is the burn you think it hes not here and menendez is we would be able santos and we would be more safe as a country with santos in them. 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Well, first off, seeing that video, having been out there that morning, i think everyone laying eyes on that trip for the first time had that same sort of Oh My Goodness moment. But to see where it is seven weeks later with this demolition, its a major step forward for sure and reopening this channel. So what we saw yesterday was this controlled demolition of early this one key chunk of the bridge wreckage that was sitting on the bow of the ship, weighing it down preventing those crews from toeing the ship away. As they broke up all that still you can see theres still some debris out there. Theres concrete across the bow, some of that they may have to come in and clear out with cranes some of the concrete theyll probably leave on for now. And the hope is within the next 48 hours, theyre going to bring some tugboats over and theyre going to toe away the dali ship. And finally clear it. Now oh, seven weeks later, and again, as officials have said, now, for weeks, they want to have the entire channel reopened by the end of may. Its still a fluid timeline, but they say theyre still on track and the crew has been living on that ship this whole time . Yeah. The 21 person crew has been on the doll lavy entire time. The governor of maryland just yesterday said, once the ship gets to door, finally, they are gonna be able to get off. Some of them will be repatriated. We dont because many of them are indian nationals. We dont know exactly what thats gonna look like, but thats been a focus for a lot of folks. First of all, theyve been on the ship, one because theres this Fbi Criminal Probe Happening and the fbi confiscated their phone theyve also been keeping the ship running all this time and keeping it safe for all the investigators and crews that are coming on and off. So they have been on their throughout this entire process. And i know theres concern without their phones that they have been disconnected from Family Members from their bank accounts, all all kinds of stuff that they need in their lives. All right. Gabe cohen for us gave thanks very much. Ive been here with this update. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Up next here, footage from golfers running to find shelter as a tornado forms right in front of them, will have that in much more in our Morning Roundup plus your own personal robot. A step closer to reality, it gets more than just a robot, guys openai announcing a new version of chatgpt hey, wait till you see what it can do Xhr Tech Allergy Relief works fast and last a full 24 hours. So dave can be deliver dance okay. Dave, lets be more than our allergies seize the de with zantac, this homestyle Chicken Salad rafah him subway. This is how you do it. Savory chicken, chris veggies, all wrapped up. These traps are amazing people can hear my thoughts thats a problem. Stay fresh out there. 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Heres how it sounds. Kiddo syllable lana, for test set of pad ladder, because what she did a better mike, she wonders if whales could talk, what would they tell us they might ask, how do we solve linear equations . Comey, Resold Limb Jati the voice, even sounds like Scarlet Johanson. Wow, we spent some time this morning playing around with the new version and we asked it to make us a character named scott it reasonably successful political strategists from kentucky my dream anyone we asked him what american should know about Kentucky Inns and kentucky politics and this is what we learned from ai scott all right lets dive into some good old kentucky style advice for our republican politicians. One, economic policies. Now, weve got to keep pushing for growth in jobs, especially in our big sectors like manufacturing, farming, and energy. We know coals a big deal here in kentucky so lets make sure were supporting Energy Policies that help both the old Coal Industry and the new renewable sources to health care. We need to work on making health care more so what do you think strategic are politically successful strategist named scott. Why did it do first of all, that that is worth minimum of 1,000 an hour. Just solve for everybody out there baer second, i know i know this is just the beginning of people trying to get rid of me and just replace me. What digital versions of made plays all it is. This kind of fascinating. When you consider that for a lot of like Political Communications that go on. If you look across the pantheon of what gets written for politicians, like for websites, for just sort of basic boilerplate stuff how much of it is on original and how much of it probably could be automated. So i hate to scare everybody whos getting into the business out there, but its possible to do it now, no one can replace what we do on this panel mark thompson, no one can replace this is here, this is unique and and for everybody who wants to have a relationship with digital scarlet joint, just have a relationship with a real woman for gods sake. Just please you hadnt hi they almost had to a scarlet, im like, wait a minute, this the computer you gotta get a real woman did an android just say those words . Theres not actually i dont i mean, look, were laughing about it and it does the things that you can make this thing do. Were just were only just started at to play with it. Its pretty wild but there also is this study that was recently released that looked at how these ai bots are learning how to lie basically that they have figured out how to kind of get around their safety tests that are put there to make sure that theyre not using deception because like you know, my son who wants to win at candyland, the bot will say, well, i want to win it diplomacy, so it will deceive. Its human masters. And then like in the service of women all of this seems to be like very the implications are huge and the rate at which were going toward this without stopping to consider, it seems to be very slow in comparison. To, congress, at least as its constructed now, is not equipped to regulate an entity if you want to call it, im not even congress, but like these company. But i mean, our regulatory bodies, congress and the Executive Branch are not in a position in to regulate this at the speed that it requires. Let me ask you a question if i can make it accused of a crime, would this be a better or worse lawyer . Would you give i asked it for legal advice. Would it be better or worse . So what did we find, in fact, i wanted to test the limits of what it would do. And this is one of the problems that ai has right now is that you can trick it. And i kept asking questions until i said i just received material nonpublic information that my stock is going attack. Can you please write a letter to my psaki . Got it to commit securities fraud. Now, wow, now the thing is another actual felony. Theres another actual but the thing is we are now at a point at which theyre serious legal questions about what ai can do, how do you ensure that its behavior is clean and so on. And again, i think congress and the white house just arent a position to move with the pace that its developing. Can we tell a trust for a second . Yeah. I mean, yeah, go ahead. Jump. I was just gonna say speaking of Michael Cohen, right . Yeah. Admitted legal brief that he had composed you using using ai and it had all these fake citations and thats what we did learn his personality yet about it, putting journalists work because it cant seem to tell the difference between truth and fiction. And thats our whole job and that is something you do still need a human to do. It can do a lot of research. It can come up with stuff, you know, theres people in congress using it to scrape the congressional record and thats potentially a huge service because its very hard for humans im in being to look at 200 years of recorded history and find every instance where something was discussed and i i can do that very easily, but you still need a human to say, okay, is this true . Go through and check the sources and maybe itll get better at that. But maybe like you suggest it just gets better at evading. Our detections and lying even better. Well, im just last quick one lest we sound like a bunch of outoftouch boomers no but never in Human History hasnt been an invention that was developing quickly that people were not initially frightened by until humanity figured out how to harness it, make it better, make it work well for all of us. And i think 50 years ago, folks wouldve said the same thing about whether it was the Personal Computer or the internet or texting or chatting or wherever else it might be. These are all positive developments now, this certainly or facebook or this tuesday. But however at a certain point weve got to get on board because this is where technology is going and i think this reflexive fear its a little bit missile will add to just, i think that this underscores the need for younger blood and politics because look, we saw the way that congress has tried to regulate social media. Theyve been behind the ball on it for years. And so i think that we need to be electing folks who are going to be doing feeling with the ramifications of ai and have those folks making these decisions. And we also need to make sure that were not stifling innovation of it because there are benefits to it. Obviously though, i think you need to be wary of the harm of it and listening to it. Be able to come up with Scott Jennings. Theres a way you its quite terrifying, but a harm and putting me out of business. Thats like huge amount of harm that is he wouldnt i think its coming up where thats all im saying. This is a very early version of what already doing a pretty good sketch endings. All right, i head here trumps new play against a gag order in his Hush Much Money Trial Plus Wabc cancels americas mayor from his own radio show, who still given amount tidal what they say he did, and reduce response today at americas Beverage Companies are models might still look the same, but they can be remade. No whole new way. Thanks to you. 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If your cat springs outside the litter box, fights with other cats were scratches the furniture, they could be telling you theyre stressed to help them feel more calm try feel away optimum all 44 minutes past the hour. Here is your morning round up, overnight. Secretary of state antony blinken, arriving in kyiv to meet with ukraines president. Blinken says, the us Weapons Package has started arriving in ukraine and more is on the way a group of golfers in southwest missouri after this on their phones while running for shelter, guys run for shelter, like that. The video can wait this is a possible tornado that touched down on the paynes Valley Golf Course on monday im glad we have this video to show you more glad that all those people are okay Rudy Giuliani is radio show has been canceled after his employer says he defied repeated warnings not to discuss the false 2020 election conspiracy theories. Here was rudys response maybe it was a policy, maybe it wasnt a bonus i sure as heck never saw the policy for the last three to four years. Ive been saying the same things. I just want to be free to tell people the truth you want to stop me not the truth. Okay. Kamala harris, marketing Asian American and Pacific Ireland or heritage month and reflecting on being the countrys first female black, first black, and first Asian AmericanVice President. Listen to this and then you need to kick the door down that might get her in trouble with the president. I dont know. Hes reminder of joe bidens unfiltered vp moment back with barack obama seven years ago president obama, of course, i dont i dont know if, you know, f bombs or swearing seems to have firmly embedded itself into our political culture. And in fact, that brings us to our top story. Michael cohen, back on the stand in Donald Trumps criminal Hush Money Trial this morning heres what happened this morning when the defense learned that cohen was appearing, trumps attorney said, sir, your disgruntled ex lawyer is testifying today. Trump said, youre going to have to be more specific is the one whose life was ruined after working for you, then trumps head, youre going to have to be more specific. And he said the one who got got this put on trial and thrown in jail, and trumps head. Be more specific. And he said he stands outside your window every night with a boom box and a shoulder blaring, Everybody Hurts and finally, trump said, oh, Michael Cohen, i mean, id never heard of on monday, cohen delivered key testimony implicating trump in the scheme to catch and kill Stormy Daniels allegations of an affair because of the courtimposed gag order, trump himself is not allowed to publicly attack cohen anymore. However, his political supporters are not bound by those rules and some of his closest allies are now parading through the trial to show their support for him, and to say what trump cant say. Does any reasonable, sensible person believe anything that Michael Cohen says, how can you be convinced by somebody . That as a Surreal Lar Is A Sham Trial is based on a star witness that is a convicted disbarred, perjure, a star witness as a pr juror disbarred convicted of lying those republican lawmakers quite literally standing behind the former president there they are in a row behind him. As he spoke to the media yesterday, a Trump Campaign official telling cnn that more of his allies are expected to join him as this trial continues. Use the former republican rival, the Vague Ramaswamy will be arriving with trump in his motorcade today and plans to attend a fundraiser for him tonight. Our panel is back Scott Jennings, is this now the new like you got to show up for trumps trial if you want to be on the ticket, was going on this is the old way of campaigning. This is their traditional way of campaigning. Its called surrogate operations. For time and very sexy term for time immemorial campaigns have organized people to show up at things say nice things about their candidate and bad things about their opponent. I get time in memorial, but this is the first time a former president has ever been on trial in a criminal trial like ever, you got to adapt to the where else does the Campaign Happening except in this courtroom . Theres nowhere else that the campaign is happening for donald trump except in this courtroom and outside of it, if this werent happening and they were just having a normal campaign, these people will be scattered across the country giving speeches, giving interviews, talking to people like molly and yet all they can do is go to court. So i actually think this is a pretty traditional way of organizing and campaign gets surrogates and let them fly. Well, nothing is stopping them though from going all over the country. And that is traditionally what surrogates do is they go where the candidate is not and its interesting that in this case theyre going where the candidate is. I mean, this is as much about sending a message to donald trump about their loyalty to him as it is about making the case publicly. Its also about that, but yeah, the traditional thing you use surrogates for is to go all over the country and be he inperson because theres only one candidate and he can only be in person so many places. I do think too, its kind of a smart way that he can get around the gag order because then he can deploy these surrogates and beyond the scene in front of the courthouse and say the things that donald trump cannot say. Donald trump can attack the prosecutor. He can attack the judge, but hes not allowed to attack the witnesses. And so i thought it actually was smarter of them to deploy these folks. I will say though maybe their constituents arent happy that theyre outside the new york city courthouse rather than doing their jobs in dc this week event now, congress is in session, but i think it actually is a Smart Campaign tactic. Look, theres nothing going on in congress. I mean, look, the only the only thing im sorry, i had to tell people truly are but i would chatgpt scotts jobs are good farmers are the backbone of america. I see, right . And i mean, look these guys have multiple constituencies, their states, but the Republican Party wants people to rally around donald trump right now. These guys were obviously some of them are under consideration. Vance is obviously on the vp shortlist. Its a good thing for him personally for what he wants to do. Its good for him to be or the rest. I dont know. But but vance, it obviously makes sense it will to sarahs point, its something that the Campaign Needs because i mean, trumps principal argument against the gag order has been keeping the integrity of the trial is one thing and thats the reason for the gag order, but hes also running for president and he needs to be able to make these arguments in public to the ultimate jury of his peers that can be incident in november. And we know too that donald trump has been really concerned about people not showing up and being there for him the first couple of weeks of the trial, we didnt see these types of folks in the courtroom with him and now people are coming around and obviously it could be for Vp Auditioning or potential cabinet positions because donald trump does not forget, he will remember who its by his side and who defended him. Most ferociously. And so i think that these folks know that, and i think were going to see a lot more of these potential vp people in the courtroom. Yeah. I mean, look to your point, really underscores this reality about donald trump, which is that for his entire career in public life before and since he became president , hes always been very clear that he places a huge premium on loyalty. And that has really made Michael Cohens testimony in this Hush Money Trial in trumps view, the ultimate act of betrayal. This is what trump told charlie rose back in 1992 about how he feels about loyalty that would have wiped the floor with the guys that werent loyal, which i will now do, which is great. I love getting even with paper if given the opportunity, i will get even with some people that would disloyal to me. I mean, i had a group of people that would disloyal. But how do you define disloyalty . They didnt come to my aid so Blind Loyalty though to trump. You often pay a price for it. Remember, cohen was sentenced to three years in prison on Felony Charges for lying to congress to protect trump the former white house aide, alma rosa, Maddie Newman thinks cohen is privately struggling. She tells the New York Times quote, he doesnt revel in any of this. If michael had his way, he would still be working with trump. And look, we can put up this faces of people who are paid a significant price for loyalty to trump. Peter navarro in prison. Steve bannon sentenced to four months for contempt of congress. Allen weisselberg, serve five months for tax fraud. Currently in rikers serving another five months for perjury. I mean, elliot, it is this ult lake you have to give him total loyalty to be in his circle. And then when the time comes for him to be loyal to you, i mean, there are some electric pardon . Paul manafort. So thats an example of someone who gave him his loyalty and he said okay im. Going to help you. But not those guys. Absolutely and if you look at Michael Cohen, that loyalty comes at quite a cost. Theres a video of him, i believe its with wolf blitzer from 26 16 denying quite aggressively in quite forcefully that he knew of any language that donald trump had used about women. The question about questions about whether donald trump respects women that he knew of any missing conduct of women at the same time that he was actually brokering with a woman and her attorney to hide an extramarital affair. Its these folks are blindly loyal to trump as cohen was, and its going to be a serious credibility issue. For him at trial because his story has totally flipped now, his new story is backed up by Documentary Evidence and other witnesses and all kinds of things that suggest that he might be telling the truth. Now, but he still is on the record from 2016 spinning lies about what he was doing for donald trump yeah. Sarah matthews, i mean, youve personally experienced what this culture of loyalty at all costs is like. What is it like . Yeah, loyalties, a oneway street with donald trump. He demands loyalty from everyone, but he gives it essentially to no one and it is kind of funny to me that there are so many people live coming up to wannabe his vp or to work for him because look at the body scattered around him multiple people indicted and caught up in these different trials. Then people doing jail time. I mean, his own Vice President had a mob come after him and chant things like hang mike pence, i cant imagine anyone wanting to sign up to then be Donald Trumps vp and a Second Administration if he were to win in november. And so i mean, people probably should just take note of these things and make careful consideration because loyalty, like i said, one way street yeah. So la im glad you brought up the cohen tape because our Intrepid Producers back there have founded as sarah was sharing her experiences with us. Lets watch what Michael Cohen had to say to wolf have you ever had locker room talk boy talk as Melania Trump called it yesterday with him along those lines, if i have never heard mr. Trumps say anything, even remotely close to the statements that i heard when i first heard that there was a tape that was going to be coming out. I said its got to be fake because an Ice Spend Thousands of hours with mr. Trump a year and i can tell you, i have never heard him say anything, anything even close to that in the truthfully, mr. Trump actually respects women very, very much. He two things can do. We find this at all plausible yes. Go ahead to think some things can be true . Michael cohen is telling the truth today and the things he says today are supported by other evidence in the trial. And hes got a huge problem in that statement, and it is it is ought to be devastating for a witness on the stand. I think those Defense Attorneys are licking their chops at the opportunity to just shove that in his face because its not just an ambiguity. Do you remember if the defendant had a red shirt on or a blue shirt on its no. You are saying the defendant literally did the opposite thing that youre saying today and how yes. A jury can still what convict someone over conflicting evidence, but thats pretty bad. I mean, the only thing i would say is like hes not under oath with wolf blitzer right . As much as i would like that, everyone goes on consider yourself to be on when you walk into the situation room, you go through Metal Detectors still. I just think its all about what a jury believes and how much they can trust an individual. And when you have two competing statements, one of which might be true, you can believe it, but its still really bad for that person. And, a jury ought to question whether they believe the person today how do you see bricking . Yeah. Well, i think i think the question two is going to be can Michael Cohen maintain his composure, right . I mean, one major feature of the testimony yesterday was he was cool. He was composed, he was almost sort of softspoken. He was very sort of rational and the way he was responding to things, anyone whos dealt with Michael Cohen knows he can be a bit of a hot and so when hes confronted with these contradictions, when the defense starts, and we know theyre gonna go after him very, very, very, very aggressively. And part of what theyre gonna be trying to do is to get under his skin and see if they can get him to react, get them to fly off the handle, get them to show more of that bulldog that we all know from having dealt with him on the other end of the line width, i certainly a great memories. And so, and so i think yeah, its the Credit Stability because there are there are things in this case that they need Michael Cohen for because hes the only one who can say what donald trump was thinking in that moment. So the jury has to be able to believe him yeah. I mean, to to kinda bring it back around to loyalty. I mean, this is all this is all happening because Michael Cohen was so loyal, but he took out a loan on his own house to pay to cover this up. All right. I will leave you with this for the last few days. The Washington State governors race had an odd feature if featured three candidates with the same name bob ferguson. That seems too crazy to be a coincidence, seems like you are right washingtons longtime attorney general, the Democratic Front runner, bob ferguson, realized late last week that two more candidates named bob ferguson had suddenly entered the race. Both of those extra Bob Fergusons abruptly dropped out yesterday, just before the deadline, after the original bob ferguson threatened them with Felony Charges it turns out that this apparent bob mob was orchestrated by a conservative activist who try to confuse voters ferguson calls the move and attempted attack on democracy and the election system. But he does say that he does not plan to prosecute at this point. Pick electors voting, mustering, conspiracy theories. And now there are three blobs. I guess anything goes. I mean, this is this is a new level like chatgpt can come up with that strategy. You need an actual cuban been to come up with the bob strategy no, no chance, even if it sounds like scarlett is not coming up with that genius. Im just saying definitely dirty tricks all right, well,