Implications for russia and the world. Thanks so much. I appreciate your time and asia and thanks for joining us. The source starts now straight from the source and we have some new reporting coming in, all the debates over the debate as harris and Trump Campaigns theyre trading to me and over mics and new buttons. Trump threatens to pull the plug. Scheduled clash could be on the brink of collapse tonight jack smith versus judge aileen kiana and the Special Counsels major move tonight against the Trump Appointee who threw out the classified documents case. What they are staring down tonight at maralago. Ill speak to trump trumps former attorney and its never been done before for private citizens getting ready to blast off into space. A History Making Mission this week, while two nasa astronauts stuck in space, you imagine the morning, they wont hitch a ride home until next year. Im pamela brown in for Kaitlan Collins and this is the source did i do more drama over the upcoming debate . Donald trump and his democratic opponent for president are going back and forth tonight over budinger or unmuting microphones when the other candidate is speaking at the debate schedule, just 15 days from now, except this time, instead of the muted mics that President Biden demanded back in june, the Harris Campaign wants mics on at all times for perhaps it has something to do with bad memories of the night trump was kept muzzled. Aisle President Biden imploded into his microphone. Well, the Harris Campaign says trump should quote, stop hiding behind the mute button. So the Vice President can deal with his quote, lies and interruptions in real time. The trump Campaign Says muted mics were the rules that they agreed to. Perhaps it has something to do with former president s allies trying to keep their candidate on message. Will ask for the candidate himself they also want to change the rules. You know, the deal was we keep the same rules now all of a sudden they want to make the change in the rules because she cant answer questions microphone muted debate whenever youre not speaking. We agreed to the same rules. I dont know. Doesnt matter to me. Id rather have it probably on, but the agreement was that it would be same as it was last time that case, it was muted i didnt like it the last time, but it worked out fine ask biden now it worked out its fine. And i think it should be the same. The truth is theyre trying to get out of it because she doesnt want to debate. Shes not a good debater. Shes not a smart person. She doesnt want to debate gets that. Id rather have it probably on the former president said referring to the microphone. The republican nominee undercut him right there. The argument that his own campaign has been making all day long and leaving us in suspense wondering, is this thing still on . That is the looming question tonight. So lets get right to it with some of our sharpest political sources, democratic strategist and cnn political analysts, Maria Cardona romney, campaign veteran kevin madden, and washington correspondent for the atlanta journalconstitutio n, tia mitchell alright, lets just take a step back. Note, where we are in this campaign season, right . I mean, this is a pivotal stretch are entering in just a couple of weeks from now, mailin ballots will be sent out in the crucial swing state of north carolina. Were heading into the fall sprint. And here we are with a good at squabbling over muted mics again i wouldnt look at this video get your reaction from the Harris Campaign and we do want to note that the sound effects here are, theres one at debater mole but because they already know Everything Trump see around not doing the debates thats same thing. Now i mean right now i say, why should i do a debate of leading in the polls . And Everybody Knows who, Everybody Knows me. So clearly fading trump there with by implying hes a chicken so what do you think is this debate can happen . Well, i think its going to happen well, first of all, though youre 100 right . I mean, nowhere in the polls fair. Do i see swing voters saying that they want to talk about mute buttons . They care about the economy, inflation, housing, immigration. And i think both campaigns quite frankly have wasted today talking about mute buttons. But look, i think also the Harris Campaign with that video its taking a little bit of a page from sunne suu, The Art Of War and the strategy of if your opponent has a temper seek to irritate him. And i think thats exactly what theyre doing. Theyre really trying to bait trump at the talking about anything. But some of the issues out there and irritate him about debate and the mechanics of the they and i think because of that he has a lost day of message and quite frankly hes the candidate right now, if we look at the National Polls and swingstate polls, whos behind . He needs to be talking about the issues that voters care about every single day today, a lost day to note to our viewers, we have a whole its like me coming up on polling and where the candidates are after the dnc. But i also wonder if this is also just underlines the significance of this upcoming debate everything matters right . And we saw that with the debate with President Biden, right . I mean, look, what happened after that, the debate, he stepped aside now Kamala Harris is the president ial candidate, and you do have to wonder why the Harris Campaign once unmuted mics you know, do they think it benefited trump in that debate . Yeah. I mean, i think its clear that they think that theyre learning a lesson from that debate in atlanta in june, and that the muted mike benefited trump in that anytime he wasnt supposed to be talking, we dont know what he said. We dont know what was said under his breath or as an aside or just out of turn, he was muted and at the end of the day, that was a terrible night for joe biden, but i think the Harris Campaign thinks that it will its made worse by the muted mics. And so they dont want to repeat that and give trump an edge by allowing him to be silenced. So that we dont hear everything he says during that hour or 90 minutes the question is, whos going to cave first . Because i think both candidates need this debate. So we dont need the debate about the rules. We need the debates. What do you think, maria . I think that the Harris Campaign is doing exactly what kevin said and donald trump is taking the bait hes taking the bait. And so i think it does two things. It underscores what voters already feel about him that hes thin skin, that hes petty, that its all about himself and that he then starts insulting Kamala Harris, which is exactly what he did in the clip that you showed every time hands salts, the Vice President , he loses votes, he loses votes from key coalitions of voters, young people, women, women of color. And so i think that this is something that the Harris Campaign doing very strategically. But i also think that theyre asking for the mics to be unmuted is also very strategic. Its not just they thought that, that worked in trumps favor. Its that they see that perhaps if abc does the same thing that cnn, which is where the moderators arent going to be seen or arent going going to be tasked with factchecking right . Because it would be daunting given donald trump lied every time he opens his mouth, Kamala Harris can do it and if you have a muted mike, it is a lot more difficult to do that this way. She has control, not just over what she says, but if he starts spewing lies, which we know he will she can jump in and say, hang on, thats not true here are the facts, right and so i think that its very strategic on their part. Its not just something that theyre doing to annoy donald trump, but clearly that i think is a side benefit of it because why the Mayors Campaign agree to the rules and then now theyre saying actually no we dont want his mic muted and that kind of thing. Well, i think originally it was the original rules under under biden yeah. Yeah because the bottom line is look the stakes could not be higher, right and for our viewers may not know this trump and harris have never actually spoken to each other before, this debate will presumably be the first time harris has of course, debated trumps vp pick mike pence back in 2020, leading to this memorable moment, lets swatch he said, because of the president wanted people to remain calm well, lets go in, but isnt this isnt and i want to add, mr. Vice president s speaking. I have im speaking before hundred thousand a year fueled the trump tax cuts, mr. Vice president , im speaking well, im speaking. If you dont mind letting me finish we can have a conversation. Okay. Please. Okay its not the kind of moment vp harris is rehearsing for what donald trump you think . I think i mean, i do think maria made a good point about being able to Fact Check Trump because youre not sure how the moderators are going to approach that. I do she is able to get away. Shes got some good oneliners. You know, and i think thats something again, depending on what the rules are, shes a she and her campaign on her strategy, theyre going to have to figure out how they can work within the rules. But the whole im speaking, that you know, became a moment for her coming out of that debate. It showed her willingness to go toe to toe, her willingness to kind of, get a little sassy, if you will. But i think it played well in real time but again, that kind of thing wont go over as well if youre muting michael, i will say mike pence is not donald trump. Mike pence is a very traditional he approaches the debate and a very classical way. Donald trump is a bar brawler. Vds, a very asymmetrical fighter. I think one of the things they may be thinking, oh, they may overthink this a little bit. And donald trump without a mute button, could really control the tone, the tempo of that debate in a way that might make it difficult for Vice President harris to really break through and pin him down. So i dont think its as necessarily meet or easy of a strategy that theyre deploying. I think youre absolutely right about that, but they cannot. And i think they know this. They cannot underestimate donald trump and just because they think they can get under his skin, which they can, that thats going to hence make it easy for her to get her message through and to break through. I think they know that though thats why theyre so focused on practicing on practicing again, which is the donald trump thats going to show up. Lets remember, this is a prosecutor going up against a 34 times convicted felon. I think this is something that she can really control. But to your point shes going to need to be prepared for every its hard to practice for donald trump i mean, youve seen another according i think that the Clink Campaign thought they had it in the bag right when they were going into the debate and they felt the splitscreen for them. But i think think for the most part, hillary won those debates. I mean, she did well in the debates. Its the election she didnt win electorally. Electorally. Thats right. But i do, but it was still write the debates can make or break election. I mean, again, look it up and finally, got to ask who has more . To lose or gain in this debate. So thats why i really do think both candidates need this debate. And thats why all this kind of going back and forth about the rules mask the fact that both of them need to show up on one hand, youve got donald trump. Hes the one whos losing momentum in needs a moment. He needs the earned media that a debate can provide especially if he does well in the debate he also needs to be able to say he was able to go toe to toe with Kamala Harris and show that he can hang with her and then of course, Kamala Harris, shes faced a lot of criticism for being very scripted on the teleprompter at round alleys. And i think she has to show people that shes willing to put some meat on the bones when shes talking about her platform, talking about what she wants to do, that shes able to explain it when journalists asked her to explain, not just what do you want to do, but how are you going to do it . How are you going to pay for it . So she needs this debate as well, while and i think we can safely assume that donald trump will hit her on her policy positions. I mean, hes hes obviously trying to now call her comrade kamala saying that shes a leftist and he hes going to most likely call out her positions of the past and where her Campaign Says they are now. I wouldnt take a look at some of those past positions like these thats why we need to have medicare for all. Weve got to have medicare for all i am offering a Green New Deal that has been described as one of the most aggressive and progressive heres the thing defund the police, the issue behind it is that we need to reimagine how we are creating safety how does harris respond to her Shifting Policy position . I think the way she responds as by saying, you know, on all three of those issues, she has massive accomplishments under the Bidenharris Administration on the issue of the Green New Deal there she can focus on the kind of Energy Production that they have been able to accomplish under bidenharris, it has been historic, right . We have never been at this level of Energy Production here in the United States she can talk about on defund the police. She can turn that around and say crime has gone down under the Bidenharris Administration and focus on the numbers that it was when trump was in office. And so she has an answer for everything and she can turn it back around. On and say, lets remember where things were four years ago, the economy was in the Toilet Americans were dying because you, donald trump denied the science of covid. So the real benefit that trump has in this debate is that for 90 minutes hes going to be able to sort of fill in the blanks for all of these swing voters out there on all of those issues and all those past statements. In a way that 32nd ads could never do so. Thats why thats the real estate thats really whats at stake. I think in this debate coming up, she can do the same. Yeah, absolutely. But i mean, i think this is one of those things where we have a concentrated audience of swing voters. And this is probably trumps best chance. All right, well, were 15 days until the debate is supposed to start. 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