Philadelphia tuesday to address the naacp convention. On thursday, he will be the first sitting president to visit a federal prison. Hell tour the el rino federal correctional facility outside of Oklahoma City and discuss changes. We want to begin with this wall street journal headline. New hud rules. The government can withhold moneys from communities that fail to address segregation issues. We want to get your calls as to whether or not you support or oppose this idea. For those who supported we want to begin with this sunday morning editorial from the New York Times. Here is what it says. Thene end of federally financed ghettos. The Supreme Court issued an important ruling what it reminded state and federal government that the fair housing law bars them from spending federal housing money in racial segregation host tell us what you think about these new housing rules put in place by hud. Laura kusisto is following this for the wall street journal. Thank you very much for being with us. Laura no problem at all. Host lets talk about these rules. As the editorial stood, there is an editorial in the wall street journal. This is saying, not in my neighborhood. The New York Times points out this is the intent of the law put in place in 1968. What is going on here . Laura yeah, i think there is certainly a strong argument to be made that this is not quite as big a change as it feels like. It is more highlighting and clarifying rules in things that cities were always supposed to be doing. The big change is just that they were supposed to be reviewing whether or not they were abiding by the law anyway. Now they just have to submit it to hud. Also they should have more clarity of what hud when expect of them. So i think we could see a change just because of the way this draws out what they are supposed to be doing but it is nothing new. Host you point out these communities will have to provide Historical Data to basically analyze the segregation pattern. How will they do that . Laura well, i think that is going to be something we are going to have more clarity on in the coming days because hud is going to provide them with data. It should be interesting because anybody anywhere will be able to go ont oo a computer and look very visually at these patterns of segregation in different neighborhoods around the country. So, it will be real interesting. Hud should start rolling it out so we can all go on and look and see what this is actually what does it mean. Host how much money is at stake . Laura well, you know, it is interesting. Possibly not as much as people say. These are Community Development grants. They are very viable because they react they are flexible. But in reality, westchester has been fighting with hud on this principle for a number of years. And i think over the course of that time they have lost. 20 million it is not going completely remake these communities but its certainly a very viable money that could be lost if communities do not comply. Host another part of your story is that a number of the committee has said the law are difficult to follow. How does this sharpen the rules and regulations . Laura so, what hud had been saying to communities as they had to do an analysis of impediments, and analysis of obstacles to integration in their community. But didnt give much more direction. Now this will basically give them a formula, a form they need to fill out and check certain boxes. Look for very specific types of segregation. It will be much easier for them to know what does it mean . Attorneys ive spoken with have said that that could be helpful because these sorts of patterns can leave them vulnerable to lawsuits. They are hoping if they can be more clear theyvve done this analysis, they might be more protected. Host the headline at the top of the program the end of federally financed ghettos. I want to get to westchester county. This is a piece in your paper by jason riley. He writes for the manhattan institute. It says that, what the administration is trying to do is tell bill and Hillary Clinton who can be their neighbors. One point is that in effect the federal government is forcing wealthy westchester municipalities to import low income minorities. Your criticism . Laura well, i [stammers] what it is doing. They are forcing westchester to look at their zoning, and look at whether they are zoning by preventing larger multifamily buildings is preventing poor people from living in those neighborhoods. I guess it is not quite as direct. They are not going to go and say to someone who is a poor minority, you must move here. But they are asking places to facilitate and make it easier for those people to move there which, of course, if you lived in a community that has a singlefamily character for a long time, that can feel like a radical change. Host Laura Kusisto on the housing and economic beat for the wall street journal. Thank you for being with us. We want to get to your calls and comments you can send us a treat. Mike says, so will local governments have to approve home sales to see if the population is acceptable for that area or lose federal money . We begin with nathan from pennsylvania. We are dividing our phone lines for those who support or oppose this idea. Good morning. You oppose it. Why . Nathan i wanted to say first of all that if people wanted to desegregate, if they said that diversity was so wonderful, they would practice it spontaneously and naturally. They would go and live in black neighborhoods if they were white liberals. Live as minorities and mexican enclaves. They would put their kids in schools with blacks. I have a tendency to attack the seven are lately with the Confederate Flag. I lived in the south for many years. What when i got down there from a pennsylvania dutch segregated region of pennsylvania where there was not a blackface for 200 years i realize that blacks and whites lived together in the south. When it came time for the spring court to for the Supreme Court to force busing up north white people began to riot in boston. Where does Chris Matthews live . Chevy chase, maryland. One of the whitest places west of iceland. Where did the clintons live . Where does your average political guy average Washington Post reporter live . They cluster in white neighborhoods. When they start living in the hood ill start believing them that diversity thank you. Host thank you for the call from pennsylvania outside of philadelphia. The National Journal has more details on this rewrite of a law put in place 47 years ago. Th headlinee will hud actually desegregate poor communities . Every five years, cities that received funding from the deposing of her t department of housing andh urban developing came upe for review but it was not clear what they needed to demonstrate in order to receive more money. Now these rules will open the data to local leaders and cities so they can better understand segregation and their communities and cities that receive funding from hud and dont live up to the expectations risk losing out on billions of dollars hud distributes each and every year. Stories online at National Journal. Com. We got to art who opposes this from georgia. Caller i would say in general that desegregation type of issues, maybe they were needed for a while in different types of areas but to for ce it on people today is a little bit ridiculous. First of all, most people tend to live among their own races in general. Such as mostly whites are mostly blacks are mostly koreans. Other than being slightly in the mixture. The other thing is, it is going to depend on what school or what you can afford. What i dont believe in and never have is allowing to give blacks primarily this is where it has come from, let them score higher or require to score lower on a test than whites or give them money to to get into help them versus me, when we both have the same opportunity to be able to work for that. This is where it comes another thing obama can push their he cannot through anywhere else. He has made a debacle and embarrassment of our countrya. Nwhere was he when the young lady got shot in San Francisco . Host that is a different topic. Going back to what the plan is what the Administration Says is if we are going to provide federal dollars to communities we want to make sure those dollars are going to an area that will spur diversity within the community. Caller diversity. There is diversity. If a particular issue arises, we could do with that accordingly. But i dont understand if a person can afford to live in a certain neighborhood thats mixed or white or black neighborhood, what is the problem . Why are still giving states money to do this . For what reason . That does not make any sense to me anymore. Host thank you for the call. We go next to tina in little rock, arkansas. Caller good morning. I reside in little rock, arkansas. I do not agree with the general and, because i am on subsidized housing. I am a working single mother. I send to my son to private school. And i do live in a low income neighborhood. I pay rent. I pay 400 a month in rent. It is not like im living for free. They help me. , you understand . So i believe that, i mean, people should be treated fairly. Im not asking for someone to support me. Someone, i just need a little help until i can get on my feet. I am also in school. So, i dont agree with him. I do tnot agree with him at all. And ill look for a decent place to stay i a in an area. You find a nice area. And then your income has to be a certain amount. You have to make a certain amount. Its just like a catch22 because sometimes they do have areas in a really nice place. Then you have to make a certain amount of money so that pushes you out. Host ok. Tina your final point . Caller my final point is that i do agree with whatever they are talking about the policies of putting people in a better area. In a better area. Giving them a choice to be in a better area. For their children. Our kids have to go to these raggedy schools. Get an insufficient education. And other this other stuff. Why should everybody get everything and some people do not get anything . There is enough for everybody. That is what i feel. Host thanks for the call. John in North Carolina sent us this tweet. When will people say enough . No wonder trump is getting traction. Donald trump is making news. Inside the Washington Post. We take our country back. Time magazine reporting on a speech in phoenix. Donald trump outdoes itself, casting himself more than a billionaire real estate magnate donald trump yesterday speaking for what he called the silent majority of americans who are frustrated with the direction of the country rather than the he appeared energized by the push back his candidacy has received from the Republican Party after suggesting that many who entered into the u. S. Illegally are racist. In a rally speech to the crowd of thousands in phoenix, donald trump striking a potent combination of populist and protectionist polities designed to tap into the undercurrent of unease within american society. You can read the full story or line online. The white house plan to diversify wealthy neighborhoods. Your reaction. Brenda South Carolina. Why do you oppose it . Caller id like to see, i live in trusting, South Carolina. And we had the flag the problem with the flag. The shooting. My family was one of the ones in the shooting. We have 250,000 mexicans that live here. On yesterday, the they showed me a lot of respect and so did the blacks. I went to garrett high school. Every civil person that knew we went to garrett it was always all white. We had to catch the bus. Nobody took us to school. So what were trying to do in our state, we did everybody apologize in the family to the g uy dylann. Dylann has been trying to do church. We are trying to get along. As far as them knowing anything about us coming from a poor neighborhood, the caller we all are not poor. We have our businesses. We play the lottery to help out people that need money for finances. And it goes towards hud housing. Barack obama this is the weve had a black president. George bush has built schools in his latter years. I did i oneonone talk with him. I did not see any prejudice between him. He was doing a wonderful job when he was there. Hillary has been doing wonderful things. Donald trump is not prejudiced. He is trying to help you. We are working very hard in charleston. And we are trying to work with walmart. If you really need a job and you do not have the finances for school, you can talk to darius rucker. We can help you out with a place to live. Host thanks for the call. We appreciate your adding your voice to the conversation on the white house plan to diversify wealthy neighborhoods. The fear facottor. Congress sees threats everywhere but nobody wants to make the hard choices about defense dollars. A piece on the chair of the house committee. Time magazine, who is afraid of Elizabeth Warren . Shes hounding obama and paving the way for Bernie Sanders. How she will shape the 2016 race. Doing justice to justice thomas. Writing about associate justice appointed by George Herbert walker bush in 1991. Kathleen is joining us from chestnut hill, massachusetts. You. Support this white house plan. Why . Caller i live in an extremely wealthy neighborhood. Chestnut hill is part of brookline, mass, where jfk was born. We receive cdbg grants from hud. Community block grants. They tried to renovate an Old Firehouse to give housing to some disabled and homeless people. And the snobs just came out and squashed it. There was some litigation. Im not sure what the outcome was. But it it was sad because we could have diversified more. Host what was there public argument . Caller and they took the Old Firehouse and divided it into, for towwo or thre wealthy families. Ehost what did they say in opposing this idea . Caller we have a black mayor in newton. You know, i just think there is a lot of snobbery. Im a liberal and i love living in a liberal community. But these elements of, i hate to admit that the gentleman that called i do not think we have much issues with race as we do with poverty and that people who do not look like them. Disabled. You know, because we are very very educated affluent area. Lots of millionaires. A few billionaires. We are very liberal. This one thing. The project was called engine six. There was litigation. I honestly do not know how it turned up. I have lived in this area since the early 1980s. I was really disappointed in my community, that we do a lot of talking about inclusion. And on the surface, i think that was very telling. Host racism, that was the motivating factor. Caller that is an exception. Just not held chestnut hills, beverly hills. Host a couple weeks ago we set down with the hud secretary. He outlined the parameters of these new rules. Heres a portion. [video clip] there was groundbreaking researcher published by a researcher out of harvard that showed that when families moved to places of higher opportunity, that especially young people have better educational and better economic outcomes. So, for us that means that we want to see communities essentially spread their vouchers out and allow folks to get into these areas of higher opportunity. One of the things were looking at doing now is reworking how we set the amount of the voucher so that families can get into areas that might cost more but are areas of higher opportunity, where the schools are better. Access to better jobs, better transportation opportunities. It really is a matter of striking a balance between disaggregating poverty but not forgetting about somebodys most distressed neighborhoods. Host that was the hud secretary, who joined us on newsmakers. The headline from Washington Post. The Obama Administration unveiling implants plans for targeting segregation, including a look at chicago. You will see comparison from the 1960s through the 1980s and today. How the chicago neighborhoods have changed becoming much more diversified but also much more separated between black and white. A full story is Available Online at Washington Post. Com. Gary from frederick, maryland is next. Caller good morning. I would like to point out that i live and around washington, d. C. Ultra liberals all live in the swankiest of neighborhoods. You listen you should understand that people in the cspan staff live in potomac bethesda, all the beautiful outline communities. If this idea is so good, i would ask you, why wont you put a for sale sign on your potomac home and move into southeast d. C. . Just go ahead and move in. You dont do it . Why . Because it is not a good argument. You choose to live behind communities with high walls. Donald trump equal success. He has hit a nerve and accord with america. It seems like people like sharpton, obama, Julian Castro from hud, and yourself, you are all talk but you do not want to live in those type neighborhoods. You all want to ram that down peoples throat and together, integration. That happens naturally. You do not try to force that down anyones throat. Host im trying to be clear caller you send your kids to bed schools. Bad schools. Host he hung up. Thank you for the comment. We do not live in potomac but appreciate your opinions. We will go to randy in maryland. Good morning. Caller so, i have a very personal experience with this. I am a teacher in Prince Georges County maryland. I purchased my home through hud. And i just want to put this out there because it is such a great program. It is called the Good Neighbors next door. And it is a program for teachers, for cops, firefighters emts, and the idea is to move responsible and upstanding professionals into revitalization areas. So instead of trying to move people into wealthy areas i do not think that is going to fix anything. The real issue is what are we going to do about these communities that are collapsing, are buckling under its own weight . And instead of trying to break up pockets of wealth in co