they then have to burrow in, get to apartment 602 and drill a hole in. and that way they will be able to see through about an inch diameter hole whether, in fact, people are still alive there and how many people are alive there. according to administration records of the building, there could be about three people alive in that spot. somebody also was saying to me, why are they triangular holes they've cut in the side of the building? that really is for speed. they make three cuts rather than four cuts for a square. each cut is about a meter long. what that means is if there are survivors in there, if there are dead people, at least they can get a stretcher in there and get the stretcher in and out of those triangular holes very effectively. so everything working towards, first of all, seeing if there are any more survivors in there, bringing those out. and, if not, then they will try and recover the dead. >> karl, forgive me if i missed this. did you say there had been some