d.c. or did something criminal or fraudulent actually take place? >> i love it. let's get to the subcommittee hearing right now. senate lawmakers take on goldman sachs. christine romans is on capitol hill. what are they saying? >> reporter: still talking to dan sparks former of gold machine sacks, used to run that mortgage trading desk. we've seen e-mails from him. he's being grilled by senators over just what happened. the senator you're seeing right there was saying, look, all i'm hearing, ken kaufman saying, all i'm hearing is that somehow this happened, somehow the housing bubble popped and all of these things were there and it all just happened but it wasn't caused by goldman sachs or any of these products. he obviously is not buying that. john mccain said their behavior was immoral. clara mccaskill said, you know, a vegas pit boss as more oversight than you do.