sitting essentially in cubicles in virginia and washington playing a real live video game and destroying entire villages and then going home and having dinner and not having any kind of real human connection, human element that's missing. and i think if there is going to be a debate about the use of the drones, that's where it lies. >> what's your take on the ethical and moral aspect of these drone strikes? does it matter if you're waging a war from half a world away on computer screens or whether you got boots on the ground in country? is it even a relevant argue snment. >> argument? >> i went to colombia law school and there are a lot of concrete problems here. part of pakistan is ungoverned territory. we're working with them to build up a capacity and move into waziristan. we learned that you can't move