and again, we don't know who they were and we're waiting for perhaps jones to come out and one of his folks, his other ministers to come out and tell us exactly what transpired during that meeting and who those people were that came in to meet with him. so there's certainly some movement, something's going on, tony. we don't know exactly what it all means. >> forgive me, it just seems silly to sort of blast by the media like that. the whole world is watching this story. have some kind of statement prepared if you're going in. you know you're coming out and you know the world is watching. that seems silly to me. >> you would think. >> all right. john appreciate it, thank you. as of now, the burning of the koran down in florida is going ahead as planned. just how much danger does it pose for our military? we're talking to barbara starr at the pentagon when we come back. mom, new shoes?