decides to burn korans, yes, you have to have a camera there to see if there's any violence, but i think we ought to downplay this. >> i don't think anybody should show -- i mean, i certainly would not air images of this guy burning korans. i don't think anybody should. >> well, you know -- if al jazeera does that and we get a lot of protests around the world, i guarantee you we'll get sucked in again. i think the faster we can turn this guy's microphones off and turn off the lights, the better. he is living off the publicity and i can't tell you how much -- this is so -- this is damaging to the country now. i don't think -- i think it was unwise for the president to get as deeply involved as he has. i think it did give more legitimacy to this guy. but here we are and i think it's time now to find a way to shut off the microphones. >> and zuhdi jasser, you were opposed to building that mosque and islamic center near ground zero, although obviously they have the right under the constitution. what do you make, though, of this pastor trying to insert himself into that?