we wouldn't deny it couldn't play a role but we never said it played no role. we're saying obviously there are many factors. >> his mom is now trying to get curriculum changes in the school to get other kids who are gay or identify as gay or lesbian in the schools to get them better accepted, to make them feel more comfortable. you say that homosexual activists are, quote, manipulating his death to push a gay agenda into schools. i mean -- >> i think that's -- i think that's clear the situation here. the curriculum -- >> it's his mom, though, trying to get the curriculum changed. are you saying his mom is now a homosexual activist? >> no, you've got a lot of homosexual activists promoting this and our concern is there's a policy dealing with curriculum alone, it doesn't deal with issues of bullying or inappropriate behavior in schools. it's a nutd tral policy saying correct both sides in the curriculum. >> rosalind, is that what you're push something. >> for 20 years i've been trying