hispanic chamber of commerce. i'm sure it's a worthy goal. arlen specter there. $30 million for the university of alabama at tuscaloosa for interdisciplinary -- we could go on and on. >> where do you think the research grants come from? it's all federal money. >> then why isn't the new republican leadership saying, american people, earmarks are good? otherwise, the president gets all the authority. so we're going to keep loading these bills up with earmarks. >> i don't think they said either one of those things. >> they made a pledge, the republican, not to do it. >> and you talked about senators -- >> as we talked about last night, senator mitch mcconnell, who did it -- it was not easy for him to do because he was a well-known earmarker, liked to send money back to kentucky. he has over $100 million worth of earmarks going back to kentucky. the question we were trying to ask today and we really got no answer is okay, they say that these earmarks were in this bill -- it was old, before they made this pledge.