turned to two critical issue, ratification of the new start treaty and a new trillion dollar plus spending bill. conservative senator jim demint has asked both bills be read aloud on the floor. that's thousands of pages read for dozens of hours. while any senate business is frozen. most boring story time ever. >> even c-span watchers aren't going to keep their tvs on for that. joining us in the arena to help us make sense of this nonsense, free market advocate tim phillips. and liberal policy expert and strategist erica payne. let me begin with you. thanks for coming back. everybody begins, cbo, republican, that over the next two years this will add close to $1 trillion to the deficit. where are you going to cut to square the circle? you can't be both for the trillion dollar tax cut without cutting an equal a. spending if you're going to be true to your principles, as i understand. >> i think the new house majority is going to come up with those tax cuts. also, some of the welfare and domestic programs. you can't say after 19 months of 9% plus unemployment now's the time to raise taxes.