and went off the runway as it was turning, it missed the turnoff lane and it's in some little piece of mud over here. there's a whole bunch of things. we can't take any assumptions on what this thing did or whether the plane is in trouble or any injuries or not. what would typically happen would be that the plane would come in with the visibility, it would try to land. there would be braking problems. the braking wouldn't happen in time and the plane end up on the end in the catch fence basically or the catch ditch over here. there's a lot of sand to catch a plane. >> how does this sound now? we're getting word what they're trying to do is get busses out there to get people off. trying to clear some snow. they have accumulation out there and trying to clear a path to get busses out there to get people off. that would suggest that maybe this wasn't a major incident. any time a plane runs off a runway that's serious and major. maybe not major injuries or damage to that particular plane but like you said might have been stuck in something or veered to the right or ran off the end. we don't know necessarily. >> correct. off the runway means a lot of