about it? >> you know, the original wakefield study looked at 12 children. all 12 had autism. the only conclusion of the study was that the 12 were suffering from a new form of bowel disease. andy wakefield also reported that eight of the parents said their children regressed after the mmr vaccine. so the notion that his study ever incriminated mmr as causing autism is false and the vaccine industry continues to beat this dead horse. >> so you think that -- when you talk about regressions, you're saying not so much that the vaccine causes autism but that it causes a regression, and what does that mean to you? >> no, so what you hear with many parents, and my son is one of these, is that the children are developing typically, in my son's case, up to 14 months. he was normal.