are born evil? >> i think everybody is a child of god. that we were created in god's image. i think there are many influences. i think there are evil forces. i think there are all kinds of things that -- >> when you see someone like adolph hitler. is there any good in a man like that? was he born evil do you think? >> i don't know. i don't know if i understand it all. i don't think -- >> you're good at copping out. it's a likable tralt. but in your position, it's such responsibility and influence. you need to be more determined about these things. >> my thing is this, piers, i'm honest enough to say i don't know everything. i don't understand all of god. i don't understand sometimes why bad things happen. i don't know what happened with adolph hitler or the guy who shot the people in arizona. it's tragic. >> can you forgive the young man that shot the people in arizona? do you feel genuine forgiveness towards them? >> i may not right now. but i think we have to get to the point, i think one thing that's helped me and i try to