it's a matter of the standards. and so i just think we're blessed to be a blessing to help others. when you don't make money the focus of your life -- you got to work hard, you develop your talents. god can do amazing things. >> you can be rich and poor at the same time. >> i've met very unhappy rich people. it's interesting from a spiritual point of view. does money buy you happiness? >> no i don't think it does. money helps us. it's our exchange system. it doesn't buy you happiness. it doesn't buy you health. i'm happy because i have a great husband. i have fabulous children. i have people around me who love me and support me. >> weren't you happy before that? >> yes. when you say happy and poor. you're all rich, i don't feel rich. i don't feel rich monetarily. >> do you? >> i'm so frugal. i spend my money like i don't have anything. >> 20 million books. however million dvds.