streets of cairo. a much heavier military presence by the egyptian army on the streets. they are clearly trying to have a show of force. they are a much heavier hand in terms of controlling access to some of the areas where people have been protesting, controlling some of the show points to that, limiting where people can go in order to get to the protest, but the protest -- the people turned out still in large numbers down in liberation square. i was down there for several hours today, again, just thousands of people chanting, demanding that mubarak go, and no matter what mubarak has done in terms of shuffling his cabinet, appointing new ministers today, they say it is not enough, that he's got to go, and that is their bottom line. >> i understand, anderson, you had a chance to speak with mohamed el-baradei, the nobel peace prize winner and former head of the international atomic energy agency now emerging as a key opposition figure to president mubarak. how did that go? >> reporter: well, i talked to