>> we asked that question. i must say, when i said to him, people think you're insane. he answered me, he didn't kick me out of the country. he was respectful. the one who's in charge -- >> the son. >> and you've met him, not only as a child, but recently. >> he was in this country in october on a private visit. he met with certain influential newspaper people. and then he addressed the council on foreign relations. the son is now the -- probably the leader. he came to this country because he was trying to get private investments in libya. now, remember that mubarak wanted his son to take over, so gadhafi wants his son to take over. but saif doesn't seem to have any more of a chance that mubarak's son kamal did. >> especially now. he's gone on television and really inflamed the protest movement by saying, this place is growing to be drenched in blood. >> a civil war he proclaims if