the family members and friends, gather them together. the work is already on the same page and come as a unified front in a loving and respectful manner and say it's got to end here. it's got to be a consequence that means something to him, because without that consequence, he's not going to stop. he's enjoying it too much. he even says, you know, i'm not ready to stop. i'm still doing -- i'm in the scene and i enjoy partying. he's not going to stop until there's a consequence that is strong enough that he says i can't do this anymore, and that needs to be created, because i don't think it's going to happen naturally. i think the natural rock bottom for him is, unfortunately, going to be death if somebody doesn't step up. >> let's hope not. let's hope not. we wish him the best, don't we, ken seeley. thank you, ken. appreciate it. the president welcomes governors from across the country and makes some news. what he had to say about health care. that's next. ♪