country that is have said, they're not interested in doing some no fly zone, so it would be up to nato, right? >> true. but what they're doing right now, is kind of interesting, what they're saying is, the way this would work is it would be based on triggers and on timetables. so they are watching, and that's why the surveillance flights by nato are very important, they're watching very closely, they say. what gadhafi is doing, and what his troops are doing, if they perceive there was a type of gross violation of human rights, something like that, that could become a trigger to then immediately move toward resoluti resolution. >> interesting to see how they define a gross violation. appreciate the reporting, an op ed today, a follower speech writer for president george w. bush, makes the case that president obama has no other choice but to do something. he joins me now along with david