what did it give you, shoveling compost? >> well, if you're too high on your horse, as my mom would say, shoveling some sheep dung for 20 days in the middle of nowhere's probably a good thing for you. >> when you were sitting there wallowing in sheep dung, but ever imagine you'd end up a bona fide a-movie star? was the dream there then? >> i don't think it was. i look back in diaries that i have and am reminded that i actually was thinking about a career maybe in storytelling business at that age. but it was so far from the vernacular of even my dreams at that time. i grew up, you get a job, you work your way up, you put in time, and then you go on up the ladder. >> were you a fan of the movies? >> no. >> really? >> i saw two films before i was 17. >> what were they? >> "orca" and "king kong." really? >> yeah. movies were not part of our pastime. television, media really wasn't.