dreamer than a doer? >> if you look at sheikh mohammed, he told american investigators, gave a 30 different scenarios of things that they would like to do. very few of them did they actually recruit people to do. so bin laden had a lot of time on his hands, he's thinking about attacking on july 4th in washington, with sort of unsurprising things. but i think you're right, he was doing a lot of dreaming. he wasn't doing a lot of stuff that actually ended up with anything that happened. >> and let me ask you just listening to this piece from chris about, well, now we've turned the corner. was there any doubt in your mind, given how much these two countries need each other, that they wouldn't find a way out of this where we insulted it pakistan and going into their military and kill osama bin laden and embarrass them? we think maybe they protected him. but in the end, was there any doubt that they wouldn't come back and say, okay?