-- with santorum? >> well, ali, the free market element which we embrace as the tea party movement pushes me certainly to a mitt romney. i think there's a lot of folks that disagree with me. i think quite honestly the challenge in the tea party is this idea do they trust romney. i think from a business point of view and his practical governance as a businessman i think he would do a terrific job. but the challenge, of course, is convincing the rest of the grassroots movement. i don't think santorum sort of populist manufacturing to taxation is appropriate. that's not a free market value. >> as will pointed out here. here's my question for you, mark. what happens? really michele bachmann was the head of the tea party movement in congress. she was a tea party darling. those candidates who have become tea party darling are not doing what you're talking about. mitt romney wasn't the tea party darling in this thing. >> if you look at what he does, he's about fiscal responsibility, smaller