not warplanes. >> right. they can be. well, can you? that's the question. now, let's end on that, robert. the idea of what james is saying. you can reach an agreement with russia to stop military missions and just make humanitarian missions. do you agree with that? >> that's exactly what john kerry had been trying to do. john kerry was unsuccesful. the russians are backing the syrian government. the syrian government has said it will attack planes that are bringing supplies, humanitarian supplies. of course, there was an aid convoy which syrian and/or russian aircraft struck two weeks ago killing 20 aide workers. their whole point is, they will not allow humanitarian aide. they want to starve the opposition into surrender. >> james banford, robert ford, thank you for helping us understand this situation this morning. we're following a lot of news. we have the latest on hurricane matthew. let's get right to it.