fact that you delegitimize democracy. but the other thing is, let's take the state of ohio. what happens if rob portman wins ohio and donald trump doesn't? or vice versa? which is legitimate, which is illegitimate? >> he's using some large cities with high african-american populations to see you should watch there, like for fraud, chicago, st. louis, philadelphia. all of these cities with high african-american population and they're highly democratic. what's going on here? what's he trying to say with this? isn't the irony about illinois is he's not going to win illinois and when he's talking about chicago, he's talking about the 1960s and kennedy's win, and was there fraud back then in order to get jfk the presidency and did his father do it. so, the idea that he's going to chicago, harkens back to a time most voters in the election have any understanding of it. when he talks about philadelphia, he's trying to reach back to the point where we