against enemies, who abused the office throughout. 48 people, co-conspirators, with the president of the united states were sentenced and found guilty as a result -- >> 48? >> 48. of what happened in watergate. what has happened here is that the server, hillary clinton setting up her e-mail server recklessly and then trying to hide the reasons why, and not being straightforward about it, has produced a reaction, i think, that is about clintons and clintonism. they've been around 25 years and they are easy targets for the republicans and for people who want change, who think, oh, they're really sleazy. they really cover up. there is nothing comparison. hillary clinton, whatever we say about her, and god knows, i've been rough about her on the server, that she is not a one-dimensional person. she is not a criminal.