voted for trump. in cities like philadelphia and detroit and milwaukee which -- where you had a surge of voters in 2012 which helped defeat mitt romney, numbers were way off. so the big question for me is not the white working class and white middle-class revolt. it was why the obama coalition didn't work out. >> neera, as of now there are millions of ballots yet to be counted but as of now trump got a million votes less than mitt romney but hillary clinton got five million votes less than obama. does that tell you something? >> absolutely. and i want to recognize that there was democratic turnoff. there was depression, particularly among some african-americans. there was surges amongst latinos but there was definitely some dropoff. i think we have to see a lot of votes are still out, it may well be that hillary wins the popular vote by a million, million and a