that were sent up to new york are very qualified people. i think america would be comforted that they could serve in the capacities of which they were recommended for. and by the way, this notion that there is no one interested, thousands and thousands and thousands of really good people were interested. a little bit before the election and a lot after the election. surprisingly. >> it happens in washington. other places. jennifer jacobs. you have new reporting. what are you learning? >> i think congressman rogers is being polite. there is probably more power struggle happening than people realize. i think anyone who is loyal to chris christie is probably going to have trouble getting any sort of a cabinet post and i know some within trump's inner circle did think that mike rogers was someone who was an ally of chris christie. he was tapped by christie before the election to oversee national security for the transition. i think rudy giuliani or jeff sessions could pretty much have the pick of any post they'd like. i know that rudy giuliani has his heart set on secretary of