sites spread confusion. they're trying to trick people. the goal is to refuse to be confused. refuse to be hoaxed. >> up to the consumer, you're saying. >> exactly. the onus is on us as users of the world wide web specti ii io the due diligence. >> how much responsibility does a twitter or facebook have to be a gate keeper of real information versus fake? >> i don't think they want to be in the position of a gate keeper and i don't think we as a society want them to be. facebook, it can be argued, has a tremendous amount of power now. having them be the arbitrator of what is true and false, right and wrong, is not the right direction. there is a risk of overstating the problem. the problem needs to be dealt with. you heard people say, that's what caused the election to swing toward trump.