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children are ukraine's great treasures. a lot remain in ukraine and ready to attack invading rushers. as far the telegraph story, even closer to home, this is a remarkable story it away but perhaps not as surprised we shouldn't be surprised, the defence secretary ben wallace has been hoaxed by someone for eight or nine minutes, this is our own defence secretary. hoaxed by somebody who looked and sounded like a ukrainian prime minister. of course he wasn't. when talking about prime minister to be clear, not president zelensky. he was asked a series of misleading questions that became more and more extreme, it seemed. it was set up perhaps by the kremlin in order to try to elicit damaging sensitive information from him or perhaps to make a fool of him. perhaps to edit him in a compromising way afterwards was at
that he is innocent, so i think that we should take a step back, let's see -- >> sean: totally agree. it does not look good for him, i will tell you that. dan, we will get to in a second. joining us from chicago is ray, i fired him last night, but apparently you are taking heat for doing a news report on my show in chicago, gee, i am sorry. but you have been great on the show. >> i really appreciate you having me on, thank you, sean. >> sean: i do apologize for mispronouncing your name, but now i will do it on purpose. >> it was good tv, but as you said, it does not look good for jussie smollett, chicago police are accusing him publicly of making the entire thing up, and it looks like we can now start to use the word that police asked us not to use before, and that is hoaxed, smollett's legal team met for several hours at ty courthouse trying to work some
a few possibilities here. it is always possible the "times" is getting hoaxed, right? not at all likely but possible. halloween comes early, boo, the cold bony fingers of insanity and authoritarianism to grab your ankle when your foot drops off the bed, ha harkes it's a hoax. also possible the "times" is getting played by the white house.also possible the "times" getting played by the white house. maybe this is a white house endorsed effort to make the president seem so besieged from withinton justifies extreme action by the president to clean house and fire lots and lots of people without too much scrutiny on any one of those firings. there's no reason to think either of those things is what happened and no reason to think the "times" would have done anything other than their best due diligence on this in terms
of figuring out the origins on this and not getting played or getting hoaxed. there's every reason to think it is what it appears to be. if it is what it appears to be, if this is a real senior administration official that feels the need to sound this alarm about what is wrong with the serving president, why are they making this public case now and what exactly are they trying to get us the public to do about it? you can snipe these sort of comments in gossip. you can make these sort of plans and plots among your fellow co-conspirators in the white house if you're actively working to sabotage the president's worst impulses and thwart him from the worst things he wants to do to the country. you can do that you will without signaling to the public, hey, op-ed, "new york times," you need to know this is happening. why signal to the public? what are they asking of the
a few possibilities here. it is always possible the "times" is getting hoaxed, right? halloween comes early, boo, the cold fingers of inantism your foot droops off the bed, ah-ha, a hoax. also possible the "times" is getting played by the white house. maybe this is a white house endorsed effort to make the president seem so besieged from within it justice extreme action by the president to clean house and fire lots and lots of people without too much scrutiny on any one of those firings. there's no reason to think either of those things is what happened and no reason to think the "times" would have done their due diligence on this and not getting played or hoaxed. there's every reason to think it
president's daughter and son-in-law, two most important people to him in the white house out, how does trump react o that? how does he react to a website now devoted to the destruction of his daughter -- >> wait, it's not -- >> e-mails. the editor in chief said -- >> bannon didn't say that. some imposter said it. >> no, no, the editor of the website. >> he said as you told me. >> bannon saying he said/she said e-mail exchange. >> wait a second. >> they're not facts. they're e-mail exchanges. >> but the editor is talking to what he thinks is bannon and says remember when you told me that -- >> story written like that, this is like, i mean, whoever the guy who wrote the e-mails should be told you're a rotten guy. >> he's editor in chief of breitbart. >> right, and he was hoaxed. >> but he believes that steve bannon told him that jared and ivanka are evil. i mean, he believes that that happened. are you saying he's delusional? >> i'm saying it's a dumb thing to do to send an e-mail like that, more importantly, breitbart's space in the media
surprisingly, left of center views, beach nourishment and things that some republicans don't support. if the question is, does the president support the environment, does he want to have clean air and water? the answer is yes. >> why is it fair to ask whether it's a hoax as he used to? >> because the question that many in the media and on the left are trying to get to is if he says it's a hoaxed, he'll be attacked and if he says it's not a hoax, he'll be attacked for being a flip-flopper and he took a major step yesterday to protect american jobs and we start going into the rabbit hole as far as who is right and who is wrong on some of the environmental issues and he's smartly keeping the focus on where it should be right now, which is jobs and the economy, which was his central argument for withdrawing from the paris accord. >> isn't the rabbit hole just fact, what the president
sites spread confusion. they're trying to trick people. the goal is to refuse to be confused. refuse to be hoaxed. >> up to the consumer, you're saying. >> exactly. the onus is on us as users of the world wide web specti ii io the due diligence. >> how much responsibility does a twitter or facebook have to be a gate keeper of real information versus fake? >> i don't think they want to be in the position of a gate keeper and i don't think we as a society want them to be. facebook, it can be argued, has a tremendous amount of power now. having them be the arbitrator of what is true and false, right and wrong, is not the right direction. there is a risk of overstating the problem. the problem needs to be dealt with. you heard people say, that's what caused the election to swing toward trump.
woman. it wasn't just manti, it was other men and a woman who were hoaxed. >> a beauty queen, miss south pacific in 2007. her name is teti, and she reported in 2008 was contacted by the same person who reportedly was the same voice that manti was duped into thinking that was his girlfriend, and the voice on the phone said, hey, i'm going to apply for the pageant that you won, miss tonga pageant what should i take and do and say, and developed a friendship and concocted a story had a she played basketball at stanford, victoria's secret model. >> alisyn: this is the point, you can text back and forth and have phone conversations without meeting people now days. do you fall in love with that person over three years. >> alisyn: yes if they sweet