this is an issue that is becoming very real, very fast. >> we heard a lot about undoing obama care for sure. what we're talking about now and everyone at this table knows this because we all cover congress, is that the republican establishment that is now being put into these positions of power in the cabinet and elsewhere have long wanted to take a much bigger whack at the entire safety net system, including social security, including medicare, including medicaid. so the question is, to what extent is donald trump going to go back to his populist roots and put his foot down on some of this stuff? while he campaigned on obama care, i think it will come as a surprise to many of his base that the republican establishment is now wielding power to go ahead and make some of these cuts and will have to make them if they pass this tax cut plan. >> he was pretty clear, in addition to the obama care repeal to your point, he doesn't want to touch the safety net. he doesn't want to do away with some -- or engage in the