>> i don't know what his fact basis is. the fact the white house yesterday saying that maybe that he actually knew something during the election -- >> but that's politics. >> it could be politics. i mean who knows. but -- >> if he knew something he's saying why didn't the white house say what they knew? why didn't he say what he knew -- >> why is he still -- he's going to be the leader of the free world. he's president of the united states. why does he care? i've always been perplexed by the way from the very beginning why was he sew defensive of russia. i never really understood. >> was, is, and his people. spicer, down the line, they should focus on, don't say we lost because of this. no proof of that. it's just talk. fine you can have that discussion all day. absent some type of dispositive proof by the intel agencies which they've been very quiet about and that hurts you in terms of the public eye. but in terms of whether or not it was russia i don't get how it helps hem to do this and may even create trouble for tillerson because it makes