white electorate, would see." joining me, rich benjamin, a author of "searching for whitopia" and mr. nutter, former mayor of philadelphia. mr. mayor, reading through this wi with ta-nehisi coates, the president's candor, did you get the sense he was finally getting some of these thoughts off his chest? >> well, brook, i had the same experience at the tail end of your eight years as a chief executive and i was only the mayor of philadelphia, he's president of the united states of america. there is a little more freedom that comes with that. i said to the president a good while back that -- in the second term there's a word called liberation and i think increasingly you're going to hear more and more of his thoughts. he is so responsible of a person