>> although -- yes, that's all true. to be devils advocate, maybe somebody supporting president obama would say, betsy, well donald trump hasn't behaved the way a normal president-elect do does. they normally go and huddle and form administrations and don't make policy and don't dispute current policy until they become the the president and donald trump has violated that tradition. >> almost like donald trump isn't a traditional candidate handling his presidency in a different way. perplexing. i think the loves wi s wils wil out. one thing that strikes me is how little trump has changed. every since he started back in june, people expected a serious trump to come out. this is the reminder that this is who he is. this is how he's going to approach his presidency. >> there's no pivot. >> none at all. but his staff is going to get whiplash. a few days ago sean spicer was going really well, they were