identifications of the go betweens the russians used to provide the stolen e-mails to wikileaks. >> just to be clear on the congratulatory messages, no smoking gun in any of these messages saying oh, our hacking worked or anything. >> we're told from our sources while they took on a congratulatory tone, they were happy and celebrating, there's no smoking gun where someone is definitively saying, yes, here's exactly what we did, here's how we did it. we helped donald trump win. >> and these go-betweens are, in fact, third parties that somehow get information from russia to wikileaks, allegedly? >> right. you'll recall the wikileaks founder julian assange confirming that the russian government never gave him the -- never gave wikileaks the stolen documents. but the way russia works in covert operations like this would be to have people do the work for them, not connected to the government. so these are go-between people, also called cutouts.