country that this is wrong. and if we want to unify behind something, let's unify behind the truth. let's talk about justice here. and let's come up with a sensible solution and focus on why this happened and address the root of that problem and then we'll see our country turn around and we'll see these communities much better. >> does anyone on this panel not think this is a hate crime? >> this is a hate crime. >> i just want to -- >> this is a hate crime. >> and further -- and further, hate doesn't have a color. >> exactly. >> nor does ignorance. >> does anyone on this panel believe that what happened, just to be specific, because again, there are a lot of fake news organizations out there who are presenting fake information. does anyone believe that this is not a heinous despicable act? is anyone making excuses for these kids? >> this is a heinous, despicable act. >> don, we can't make excuses for what these kids did. but we have to look at the root of the problem. we've got to look at the parental guidance. whose house was that? where are their parents? at the end of the day we have mayors and aldermen and people