you know what? they don't want straightforward po you have to be real cold-blooded. being an elected official is like working for the drug cartel. you can't give anybody any mercy. >> it seems like whatever might be in your heart and however pure you might be when you finally arrive in office, somebody brings you a big case, opens it up, says mr. president, mr. mayor, mr. governor, this is the real situation. at which point it's an, oh -- try to start making some serious accommodations. yes. >> kwame kilpatrick. what went wrong there? >> greed. >> just old school? >> greedy. he was greedy. i didn't support him in the beginning. and when he was -- and i was one of his biggest critics. but when he got in trouble, who did he call? he called me. >> called you. >> i should have listened to my wife. she said, don't be messing with them.