didn't think they should have the right to vote, that they were second class citizens, et cetera. so that's a terrible thing to do to anybody and that's what he is in essence now sort of come circle around here and is doing this to donald trump. on the other hand, i must say, i find this kind of amusing. >> jeffrey lord, the man who pushed the birther movement for years and years to gain support among some to make this presidential bid. does he have any ground to stand on, to criticize what john lewis is doing? >> i don't think that the birther movement bequeathed his candidacy. it's things of that nature and definitely trade. i know people who lost their jobs because of these trade deals. >> jeffrey lord, what i'm asking you, is the man who pushed that our current president is illegitimate, does he have