reagan through george h.w. bush i think -- >> very much trying to make that argument that reagan and trump are the same in being a change agent, you know, and that that is how he sees this analogy playing out. >> they're both change agents but very different. i think mike pence has chosen an admirable role model for his vice presidency. george h.w. bush, you know, was very different from ronald reagan and yet he walked quietly behind him, never stood in his shad shadow, never injected himself, was always loyal, a good ambassador to capitol hill. he'd come up to the house gym to hang out with people. what made that relationship work and david axelrod would talk about this, it was that early on ronald reagan agreed to have a weekly lunch with his vice president, just one-on-one, had lunch every week, nobody ever talked about what was said. that's where he gave his advice. but interestingly enough, bush would often come around to us in the white house staff and say i